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Re: 2nd Debate Thoughts?
I admit that I am an Obama supporter, but I still say he, "won." It was obvious after the last debate that he did not do well, and I was able to admit that then. It boggles the mind that cons say Ryan and Romney did well in the last two debates. I honestly thought they were both terrible.
Last night, Romney was short on facts and swift on attacks and being a jerk. He came off as a pompous asss. I can't wait until this election is over and he can take his binders full of women and go home.
He may have appealed to his base last night, but I very much doubt he found any new voters.
Romney lost his momentum after the moderator egregiously played favorites w/the Libya Rose Garden comment. I think he was so baffled by it, he never fully recovered. I was literally shocked she inserted herself that way into a Presidential debate.
I thought Romney was a little too eager to "Catch" Obama and call him out on things and this time it didn't play well for me.
I Hate Hate Hated the Binder comment and literally cringed. I already think he has an uphill battle with women and to me that was like robotic or something . Bring me a Binder of females...what!?!?
The single parent comment didn't bother me at all, but a FB friend of mine completely heard a different version of what he said and I was befuddled.
I knew you'd come around. Political differences aside, we're pretty awesome.
That's not true. He specifically said "act of terror" in the speech - he wasn't just randomly talking about other acts of terror, he was referring to the Libya consulate attack.
Romney was trying to make a different point and he chose the wrong fact to pounce on - he should have been more precise. The point Romney was trying to make was that the Obama administration fully or partially tied the internet video to the attacks for two weeks after the fact. Romney wanted to debate spontaneous act of terror versus planned act of terror, not whether it was an act of terror itself.
I do think Romney could have made a strong point if he'd gone about it correctly. But it's tough to say who actually knew what because it sounds like they were still collecting intelligence for several weeks, so I'm not sure if Obama did know or not - and even if he did know I'm not sure it would have been appropriate for him to show our hand.
If the investigation shows that Obama is to blame then I'm more than willing to accept that. The details are just so sketchy at this point.
i felt i had to get in on this and I'm new to the board. I am also a registered independent and an undecided voter (with a pro romney husband, in my ear all day and night)...
the ONE thing that I thought really brought Mitt underwater for me was the women in the workplace thing. I didn't read through every post in this thread I got about half way down so excuse me if this was said already. But why do we need to have flex hours for women? So they can go home at 5:00 and "get dinner on the table".....
becuase...it's 1950.
that kind of stuck with me.
Although I felt as if Obama is employing someone from a PR 101 class in college who was liek "don't forget, no matter what they ask, you want to turn the conversation back to your talking points. Now let's review your talking points again".
The only person who has ever sucessfully and easily done the whole "return to talking points" thing in a smooth manner that I have viewed over the years is Al Gore.
I feel the same way about the women comment. Besides, DH makes dinner. Does that mean I lose my flex benefits? Bummer.
Would you let Obama's debate style sway your vote? I mean, you're not voting for a debater, you're voting for an elected official who will sign bills and set policies.
No the debating "style" def. won't effect my vote. I just felt that as someone who works in public relations, ti seems like he needs a bit more coaching. Certainly, debating with someone who has been a powerhouse in a board room and probably made a few back alley deals is difficult for someone who is rather reserved and quiet.
But at the end of the day, he didn't say anything to offensive to me. Only Mitt Romeny did. Am I going to chose who I vote for based on who expects their wife to cook them dinner at 5 pm, no... but it is something to think about in a more general way: How the president views the "role" of a woman.
Heck, once I have kids, I'd love to have flex hours...so I'm not really complaining.
I am not so educated in the environmental topics and off shore drilling etc, so I even took one of those "who should I vote for " quizzes to see basically where I stood (I wasn't even sure) of course my results came out 51% romeny, 49% Obama....heck- a true independent.
regarding his no plan: http://www.mittromney.com/sites/default/files/shared/BelieveInAmerica-PlanForJobsAndEconomicGrowth-Full.pdf
and before you say it's biased, well romney did think of it. I'm sure though you won't even read it.
regarding flex pay: I think it's awesome he at least provided that option. not many places do.
Honestly I don't see a land slide win either way. I guess if you like obama, he won and if you like romney, he won.
really? I went to a unbiased website last night that had a group of people that voted for obama last time are all voting romney this time.
Not surprising that dems. would find fault in Romney/see him as close-minded but not think it's a big deal for Obama to make statements like....
"It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
"If you?ve got a business ? you didn?t build that. Somebody else made that happen."
Those statements do bother me, but he said them publicly and wasn't caught on tape saying it. I guess Romney's "47%" statement didn't bother you?
Romney didn't say that publicly? I thought he was speaking to a crowd. Correct me if I am wrong.
Let's face it....they all f#ck up.
Umm, exactly. What someone does and says privately when they think no one is looking speaks volumes, right?
So he said this privately in a office setting with a friend? I thought he was speaking in front of a crowd. Gonna Google..
i think this is an issue that divides the middle class. I don't really think child care is an excuse for a single mom. I don't have children so I could be biased. But if you have the drive to succeed you do what you can to get ahead and grow within a company. Donald trump sleeps 3 hours a night and works 21 hours a day he has been quoted on this. He was a single dad when he was divorced. You never heard him say 'i can't work longer hours because I have no one to watch my children" I know that is sucks that there isn't a work life balance anymore. But if you want to succeed you have to put in the hours. If you don't want your child to be in daycare 9 or 10 hours a day, then you should rethink having children or rethink having a succesful careert. Don't forget they aren't talking about blue collar workers here, we are talking about executive level white collar workers.
It was a $50,000/plate fundraiser. Not exactly the general public.
Here, because I know you like Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2gvY2wqI7M
It's a secretly recorded video of Romney speaking at a fundraiser. How do you not know about this?!
Exactly he said this in front of a crowd. Let's face it they have both effed up with comments from time to time.
Yes. There are many people who need help from the government and should get help. Let's face it, it's getting out of control. We cannot just print money and continue to pass out food stamps. There are people who abuse and almost 50% is imo a red flag.
If you f#ck up consistently enough then you're a f#ck up.
I mean seriously: 47% don't/do matter, women should get in a binder and make my dinner, an abortion ban will/won't be pursued, the middle class/wealthy will/will not see higher taxes, etc.
Saying the polar opposite of what you said 5 minutes ago isn't a mistake - the guy is saying whatever is necessary to get elected - who knows what he actually believes in.
Wow. It was said privately, in that these statements were not televised, he did not know he was being recorded. This was not a stump speech or townhall meeting. It was a private $50K/plate fundraiser.
I'm sorry - but the PUBLIC cannot afford $50,000 for a single dinner. It was a PRIVATE fundraiser hosted in the home of a hedge fund manager.
Cats, it'd be like if you had me over for dinner and said something stupid (not that that would ever happen) and I went around claiming you said it in public.
sometimes the things you say in "private" are the most true thoughts. Ever hear that a drunks mans words are a sober mans thoughts... kind of the same thing.
And also, when you are running for president you aren't ever in "private"
I don't like that Obama said that about guns and religion because I think it sounds ignorant. But he also didn't follow it up with "...so I'm not worried about them." So bad, but not as bad as forgetting about 47% of the country because they're not drinking your kool-aid.
And you're completely missing the point of the second quote. The point is that businesses aren't built in a vacuum - there's government infrastructure, private support, individual variability, etc. Unless you're delivering your own mail, on the road that you built, with safety standards that you wrote and you enforced, in the nation that you're single handedly protecting, which you built from scratch in 1776 - then you don't get to complain about this quote. It's completely valid to say that we're an ecosystem.
Winner winner chicken dinner.
And, the Obama administration has flip flopped on the situation in Libya. Oh and didn't Obama say he was going to cut the deficit in half.
Did he cut it in half or even cut it??
Seemed like both candidates brought their "A" game, and it was a decent debate. My expectations going in were pretty low, as I'm not a fan of the Town Hall format.
I personally liked what Obama said a lot more, but for the most part Romney hit his marks and didn't seriously screw up. I imagine most people who liked Obama going in liked Obama going out, those who liked Romney going in liked him coming out, and Undecideds probably weren't really swayed either way. I do imagine some voters swayed by the first debate might shift back into undecided territory. The "Binders Full of Women" comment does seem to have some internet legs, but that may just be people who already hate Romney mocking him.
I'm going to give Obama a slight win, if only because he got to speak last and took a nice solid jab at Romney on the 47% comment. Definitely wasn't a Knock Out fight on either side though. Willard is a tough debater, even if I think most of his policies are quite silly.
I don't see a problem with him saying this except that it sounded weird. He was making a point that women needed to be hired as well.
I hate town hall format too.
Of course there is help in everything most people set to accomplish but to say you didn't BUILD THAT EFF U MR. PRESIDENT!
There is a lot of blood and sweat that goes into running/starting a business and many LONGGGGG hours.