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Are you fully Republican/Democrat?
I saw someone say on here that people who know them are surprised they vote Republican. Do any of you have beliefs/support issues that go against the "norm" for your party?
I'm conservative but have the whole pro-gay thing. That's always a shocker.
I love that episode of American Dad. "People don't choose to be gay, but they do choose to be democrats." LOL
Re: Are you fully Republican/Democrat?
I'm conservative but am ProChoice
I'm a registered Dem, but I have some super liberal beliefs. I think we should legalize prostitution and drugs. Regulate it and tax the shlt out of it.
Now that I think about it, I don't think anyone would be surprised by my beliefs on those matters
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You *can't* support gay marriage or you *won't* support it? Which rights should they be entitled to and which rights do you think they shouldn't be allowed? Besides the right to call each other husband or wife, apparently.
I just don't believe in it, it's not a value of mine just as I'm sure you have your own values.
This will shock those from Parenting who know me- I voted Republican for the majority of my adult life. But as I grow older and further away from my sheltered youth, I am becoming more left in my beliefs. I've always had a feminist streak (shocker, I know) and never felt comfortable with the social stances of my former party.
I am no longer a Republican. I just can't get on board with the majority of their platforms. However, I do tend to side more with them on military/defense. Perhaps because that's very pertinent to my life.
Also, I'm a gun owner and ccw permit holder. I don't take 2A issues into my voting consideration, however. Politicians fear the NRA. My handgun is safe.
So it's religious based? Or is there a non-religious reason? And do you think we should legislate values? Are you comfortable having someone else's value system forced into your life is law?
Not being snarky. But imagine another faith held the majority vote and wanted to enact laws based on their beliefs. People would freak.
My values do not include blocking people from having the same rights I do because they were born to love someone of the same sex. .
I suggest you watch this video. It is only 3 minutes long:
http://gawker.com/5953357/missouri-pastors-fiery-speech-against-equal-rights-for-homosexuals-has-stunning-twist-ending
Does it not seem unfair that a good-looking stranger with tattoos and an accent can swoop in, sweep me off my feet, and we can be married within a year but a couple of men who have been devoted to each other for more than a quarter of a century cannot?
You also never answered my question on what rights you think they should be able to have and which rights we should continue to deny them. While we're at it, please advise me how allowing gay marriage will impact your life.
So much word to this. Look at how people act thinking Obama is Muslim. You would not convince me in a million years that Christians would be okay with another religion imposing their beliefs on them.
What do you mean, "it's not a value of mine"? I am honestly curious. Seriously, how would gay people getting married affect you and why on earth don't you believe in it?
You know, even the majority of conservatives I know support gay marriage. They are self absorbed and don't vote to reflect that because they think it doesn't affect them.
But not even thinking that gay people should have the same rights as the rest of the country is really out there and deeply cruel. It says a lot about you vlagrl29.
I am a Democrat. My Christian values will not allow me to go anywhere near the Republican party. I just can't hate the poor (ex. cut food stamps, have individuals with no healthcare) so that I can have more money. Does not compute. In a world where I am beyond blessed and I know the government and charities can help individuals, why would I not support others in the spirit of love (above all, love one another).
In regards to gay marriage, I think we should put signs on the court houses where people get their marriage license that says "Heterosexuals Only." So there is no mistaking who can get marry because that is basically what we have done anyway. The injustice is sickening and if people can't see how wrong it is b/c of their values, you are left to question their value system where they feel entitled to something so much that they must deny others the same thing. If someone has not sinned (not that I would even call it a sin b/c that is left for God), please cast the first stone. If not, let others do what is best for them and you worry about you. I just don't get why this concept is so hard and why a value system is not build around love and acceptance.
you don't know me, so you really can't say that. I believe in marriage being between a woman and a man bottom line, sorry but its my religious believe. not saying they can't have the same rights.
The italicized is absolutely false and a vile way to put it.
Huh? How are you "not saying they can't have the same rights"? That's exactly why your saying. Being allowed to get married would be them having the same rights.
Just because your religious beliefs don't allow you to agree with gay marriage does not mean you should be allowed to impose your beliefs on others. How can you think that's okay? It's just such extreme arrogance to suggest that the laws our country - full of so many different kinds of people - should cater to your personal religious beliefs.
It is very vile when you say exactly what is going on. I could not agree with you more. That is why so many Christian religious groups (as well as others) came out against Ryan's budget. That budget is very vile.
And I want to make sure I get this someplace where you can personally see it...You know Romney thinks teacher unions are the problem and want to do away with them. I don't want you to say that you never saw it like you said with Issue 5. Just so you are clear on that point....so no complaining later that you aren't in the right groups and that you will be treated unfairly by your school, etc. We may not be there to save you next time. Just so we are clear...
Well said. Keep your religion out of our laws.
I'm not imposing my beliefs on other. Just replying to the original post. sorry you feel that way
But you are. If gay marriage went to ballot, you'd vote against it because you don't "believe" in it. If you can't give a reason why it shouldn't be legal without quoting Scripture, then you are imposing your beliefs.
But insisting that the state only grant a marriage license to one man and one woman because of your religion IS imposing your belief. The state grants an entirely secular piece of paper to grant marriage, so why are we going with your religious definition? How is that not an imposition?
Say what now? How do you figure? That is actually exactly what you are trying to do.
ETA: I am an idiot when it comes to deleting non pertinent parts of the quote block. Sorry.
Here's the thing: when asking if the government should recognize gay marriage, it means that they would be afforded the same rights federally recognized to heterosexual couples, like survivorship benefits. It does NOT say that your church has to recognize them. Your church won't be FORCED to marry them.
I don't understand what the government's role in marriage is besides providing tax breaks and other legal benefits to married couples, so laws forbidding gay marriage don't make sense to me. Married in the eyes of the law, not in the eyes of God. They're two separate things, KWIM?
As to OP's original question: I'm with R's on some things like defense and security issues, even some fiscal issues. I'd vote for some RINO's but they're nowhere to be found. I value compromise and listening and R's have been "my way or else" for years. The "one term president by any means necessary" has really put me off their party.
ETA: I'm with CoffeeBeen on this, but the quote tree was ginourmous, so I cut out everything else.
Exactly! That's why it should not be a threat to anyone's religious beliefs. Although I am still lost as to how if someone is born gay how it could be anyone's fault besides the God you believe put them on this earth. I know a lot of people still don't believe people are born gay, but they are, and once you accept that this is not something they can control any more than they control the color of their skin, you'll realize how awful and bigoted your "It's against my beliefs" argument is.
vlagrl and others, if you are not familiar with the story of Janice Langbehn and Lisa Pond, you should be. Lisa Pond suffered a brain aneurysm, went into a coma, and was later declared brain dead. Her partner of 18 years, Janice, was told because they were in an "anti-gay" city she nor their children could see her. The hospital kept them away for 8 HOURS while she was dying before allowing a 5-minute visit while a priest performed last rites. Their lawsuit against the hospital is part of the reason President Obama enacted his hospital visitation rights memorandum. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/19/health/19well.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=Janice%20Langbehn&st=cse
LOL, at first I was like "What did I say? Did I come off as homophobic or something?!"
I approve of cutting of the quote trees, this board is getting ridiculous. Recently I've been guilty of overquoting
This is heart breaking, I didn't know they were not allowed to see their partners when they are in their death bed. That's wrong to me.
thanks for letting me know it was not snarky....its always hard to tell on forums. I've had a lot of death in my family the last 5 years so I couldn't even imagine this.