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Re: Final Debate....
Cats' work breaks always seem to end just when she is asked to justify her strongly stated position. What a coincidence!
Cats didn't respond to my "what's our profession?" post. Maybe she sits home and lives off the government.
Background: I'm actually a registered Republican though I'd consider myself more moderate and when I reregister under my married name I'll be switching to independent. I tend to be more fiscally conservative and socially liberal. I was an economics major in college. I don't proclaim to be an expert in economics by any means but I can smell some bs of how things work and dont.
And I have to say, I don't trust Romney as far as I can throw him. I don't necessarily agree with all of Obama's economic policies but anyone who thought the economy would be turned around by now has no clue how economic cycles work. Also, Romney's 5-point plan is hardly an outline and a huge case of wishful thinking. Also, didn't come here after the town hall style debate so maybe others noticed this and discussed this...but when the woman asked about the taxes on the middle class, specifically asking about the education, mortgage, and child deductions, Romneys response was as vague as it gets. He said (not an exact quote here) that he'd "just throw out a number, say $25,000 in deductions" everyone has a choice over how they take. Here's an idea, instead of "throwing out a number," propose an actual number. True, it might not get passed that way because you have Congress in the way but say "Congress willing, I think everyone should get x in deductions to save our economy." Romney not committing to a number means when he gets in office we could get $500 in deductions or we can get $500,000 in deductions (so all the rich still get all their deductions anyways).
I'm not even 100% team Obama but I think to stop in our tracks to turnaround and spend 4 years undoing what we just did without having the blanks filled in could be way worse than riding it out.
I didn't see a clear land side win either way. I think it was a draw
I'm so glad these debates are over
I thought Obama won on substance. It is obvious he is well versed in foreign policy (as well he should be as he has been dealing with it for the past 4 years). However, I thought Romney won on style. He appeared more presidential, he didn't stoop to snarky zingers and he appeared cool, calm and collected.
But I really like that Romney believes in Peace through Strength, I like that he knows fighting extremists isn't just about going after the "bad guys" but finding ways to build bridges. I also believe we cannot be the Leader of the Free World when we are not tending to our own issues here (i.e. the economy).
But he basically just copied that last part from Obama. At first I actually thought he was saying verbatim what the president had just said. So if you like that about Romney, you also like that about Obama, yes?
And the idea that Romney appeared more presidential when Obama was running circles around him substance wise does not make sense to me. What is it you require for someone to appear presidential in your eyes? Shiny hair or substance?
Well, Obama spoke of nation building at home:
"But number five, the other thing that we have to do is recognize that we can't continue to do nation building in these regions. Part of American leadership is making sure that we're doing nation building here at home. That will help us maintain the kind of American leadership that we need."
Romney took it a step further:
"But for us to be able to promote those principles of peace requires us to be strong. And that begins with a strong economy here at home. Unfortunately, the economy is not stronger. When the ? when the president of Iraq ? excuse me, of Iran, Ahmadinejad, says that our debt makes us not a great country, that's a frightening thing.
Former chief of the ? Joint Chiefs of Staff said that ? Admiral Mullen said that our debt is the biggest national security threat we face. This ? we have weakened our economy. We need a strong economy.
We need to have as well a strong military. Our military is second to none in the world. We're blessed with terrific soldiers, and extraordinary technology and intelligence. But the idea of a trillion dollar in cuts through sequestration and budget cuts to the military would change that. We need to have strong allies. Our association and connection with our allies is essential to America's strength. We're the great nation that has allies, 42 allies and friends around the world.
And, finally, we have to stand by our principles. And if we're strong in each of those things, American influence will grow. But unfortunately, in nowhere in the world is America's influence will grow. But unfortunately, in ? nowhere in the world is America's influence greater today than it was four years ago."
"Admiral Mullen said that our debt is the biggest national security threat we face." I agree with this statement 100%, and last time I checked the skyrocket of the nation's debt happened under Obama's watch.
1st, I literally cannot believe you used that part of the transcript to point out Romney's prowess. Not talking about the Mullen quote, but the part I deleted because of length. Did you think he sounded good there? It was akin to trying to use the Courier New font to make his paper seem longer.
2nd, Obama is leading us in the right direction to reduce our debt and "nation build" at home. I agree with Mullen's assertion, which is why I'm voting for Obama. I don't believe Romney can reduce the debt or be an effective president in any way.
I literally can't believe you think Obama is leading us in the right direction to reduce of nation's debt? Have you been awake and alert the past four years?
Under Obama's presidency, the national debt has grown by more than $4 billion per day, $170 million per hour, $2.8 million per minute and more than $47,000 per second; to an astonishing $16 trillion.
If you seriously believe Obama is going to change anything in the next for years, I have a piece of oceanfront property here in Cincinnati that I could sell to you cheap.
Well if you think Ronney's going to do any better I've got a bridge in Brooklyn for you, little lady.
Well I do think Romney is going to right the ship, so to speak. That is why I am voting for him. I voted for Obama in 2008 and I am sad that his policies have failed.
And since I am in Ohio, I am proud that my vote could really have an impact on this election.
I'm glad you wised up
I didn't vote for him in 2008 because I could see thru all his talk of promises and change. LOL
LOL, indeed.
Does anyone else get a good laugh out of people saying they're not voting for Obama because he said "hope and change" and didn't deliver because he didn't have a definite plan and yet Romney is doing the same thing and they're all like "Romney 2012!".
I find this funny.
No. Romney didn't further f#ck up the economy. Didn't Obama promise he would cut the deficit in half?
lolyshizz your a frackin' parrot.
I chalk that up to campaign promises that couldn't be kept because he got into the job and realized exactly what he was up against.
Kind of like Romney (if he were elected) and Iran.
Exactly! He was never qualified for the job. When he and Romney talk economics Obama looks like a deer in headlights LOL
So you're admitting Romney is unqualified to handle foreign policy as President?
Romney isn't qualified for the job, then, because he knows nothing about foreign policy or international diplomacy.
No. He will most likely attend meetings and say informed. That is key to being effective as well as helping our economy move in a positive direction.
So, Obama doesn't attend meetings?
The economy is in better shape than it was when Obama took office. It looks even better if you take into consideration that policies the President implements take a minimum of 4-6 months to start showing impact.
I agree with this. The economy is slowly getting better.
And as for Obama not being able to pass a budget like someone mentioned previously, a lot of that blame needs to lie with Congress. They can't get past their partisan bickering to compromise, and Obama can cross the aisle all he wants but they just won't budge because they need re-elected too (probably from gerrymandered districts).
my read shelf:
there were democrats that wouldn't even approve his budget
See the part about "partisan bickering".
Come on, now! Really? WTF are you smoking? Leading us in the right direction to reduce our debt????? Really? Explain. We are worse off now that we have been in how long? I still cannot fathom how people can honestly believe this administration is making any progress at all. They are sinking us deeper and deeper each day.