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Re: Why Not Move Then?
Amendments are changes to the constitution based on new interpretations and free thinking. Which is exactly what's happening now. Why do you accept the changes from 100 years ago, but not today?
I would like to know this as well.
And I'd like to know if anyone knows anyone fleeing those countries to come to the US.
I only skimmed the clu$terf&ck of the rest of this thread, so excuse me for any redundancy-
Why don't I move?
Because most of us aren't petulant toddlers who stamp our feet and hold our breath until we get what we want. Because most of us, when we aren't complaining about what's wrong with our country, in our varied opinions, also love the opportunities we have had growing up here. Because most of us have been educated, or educated ourselves, about other parts of the world and strive to understand what makes the US great, and wonder what could make it better. Because we do not live in a bubble where we must rely on this idea of "American exceptionalism" to make ourselves feel good- we already know we have grown up in an exceptional place, despite its past and present faults- yet we also recognize that there are other places in the world which are exceptional too, maybe in different ways.
And because we want to be part of making our country a better place if we are not content with the status quo. Only through tireless efforts have we seen remarkable gains for gay rights in the past two years with the repeal of DADT and now the passage of new marriage initiatives at the hands of voters and not courts. That could never happen if every person who was gay, or felt that gay people did not have equal rights, moved to Sweden. It happened through persistence and education, challenging stereotypes and prejudices, and not giving up. I imagine it was through similar such efforts that women gained their right to vote almost 100 years ago now. And today, there is a reason that ideas that take us backwards in women's rights are repeatedly shot down, and people like Akin and Mourdock lost.
We recognize that the founding fathers and the writers of the constitution were great people who had revolutionary ideas of the day; but we also recognize that they were bound by the ideas and ideals and experience that accompanied their time in history. We know they weren't perfect, we know we can improve upon their vision, their "intent"- you know how? There are 27 amendments to that great document they built. And the ones we hold so dear, the Bill of Rights, those rights to free speech and free religion, and the right to bear arms- they were not in the original document either.
We gain nothing by holding the figures of the past on an infallible pedestal. History has already proved that their ideas were not perfect. They could be improved upon, and they have been.
Also, because my guy won. And had he not, I would not abandon my country to the whims of social regression and suppression. I would fight for the future, not despair at the present.
To Lexi
Do not question anything about America. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.
Ooh, are we going to un-person Sookie?!?
Fresh.
Hell.
tee-hee
You mean aside from the Affordable Care Act?
Oh, here are a few...
1. State control of real property. Team Obama repeatedly has thwarted the development of domestic energy supplies by asserting government ownership and asserting arbitrary regulatory control over massive acreage.
2. Progressive income taxes. Obama has an Ahab-like obsession with raising taxes on ?the rich? even though the top 1 percent of earners already pay 39 percent of the total income tax.
3. Abolition of inheritance. Obama favors re-institution of estate taxes.
4. Confiscation of the property of emigrants and rebels. Team Obama has declared war on offshore tax havens; has sought legal jurisdiction to tax the offshore income of multi-national corporations as well as foreign citizens and banks that have any investments in America (causing Switzerland?s oldest bank to recommend that its clients avoid all American investments);
5. Centralization of the country?s financial system in the hands of the state. Dodd-Frank was a huge step in this direction.
6. State control of means of communication and transportation. Team Obama has attempted to cow conservative media outlets like Fox News into submission through denunciation and has suggested reviving the so-called ?fairness doctrine? and imposing heavier licensing fees on station owners. In the area of transportation, Obama insinuated government into the auto industry, has favored the high-speed rail boondoggle, and wishes he could compel us all to convert to ?green transportation.?
7. Increase state control over means of production. Through his green energy subsidies, his failed cap-and-trade scheme, now via EPA regulation, Obama has sought state control over the industry on which most other industries depend?energy.
8 . Establishment of workers? armies. Obama has ramped up the number of Americans working for Uncle Sam by securing a large expansion of Americorps and winning passage of his Serve America Act. He also has done everything he could to strengthen labor unions.
9. Control over where people live. Team Obama doesn?t go quite this far, but one of the clear implications of cap-and-trade is that government could start to limit human mobility by controlling how far they can travel by capping energy consumption. In Brian Sussman?s book, ?Eco-Tyranny,? you can read an executive order that Obama signed on October 5, 2009 that would ?divide the country into sectors where all humans would be herded into urban hubs? while most of the land would be ?returned to a natural state upon which humans would only be allowed to tread lightly.? (Marx wanted more equal distribution of the human population between town and country, whereas Obama favors urban concentration, but both want to control where people live.)
10. Free education. Obama has sought a federal government monopoly on student loans for higher education, and in his 2012 State of the Union Address, he called for additional funds for new federal education programs.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhendrickson/2012/07/26/president-obamas-marxist-leninist-economics-fact-and-fiction/
Still waiting....
I am not going to name all of the amendments to the Constitution, I am sure you are aware of them. Yes, I support the amendments to the Constitution because they are common sense and they adhere to the basic premise of the Constitution, to limit the size and scope of government.
I am not saying that I would be against anymore amendments to the constitution as long as it maintains the purpose of limited government.
We should let Texas secede and then everyone who doesn't want to live in Obama's America can move there.
We get rid of Texas and those who don't want to live in a "socialist" country don't have to.
Win-Win.
Well keep waiting, because what I said was I don't want MY government telling me what I can and cannot do. And as it stands now, my government is telling me I HAVE to have health insurance. That doesn't sit well with me.
Ok, but I'm bringing Austin with me outta here.
The first quote is Mommy, but the second quote is you cincy. You seemed to say that European governments tell people what they can and cannot do and that by adopting universal healthcare, for example, people lose the ability to make their own choices. I'm wondering what choices you are referring to.
You HAVE to have health insurance so you can receive medical treatment in case something horrible and unexpected happens? You poor baby. #firstworldproblems
lol @ cincy.
The government tells you what to do all the time.
To be fair, there's the whole headscarf thing in France.
I was not just speaking of healthcare. In general I feel autonomy is lost with socialistic policies because it creates government dependence. Instead of the markets deciding supply and demand, the government makes that decision.
I just don't feel that is the way this country was founded.
I mean if socialism was so great why did Putin, in his speech to the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland warn Obama of the dangers of socialism by saying, ?In the 20th century, the Soviet Union made the state?s role absolute, in the long run, this made the Soviet economy totally uncompetitive. This lesson cost us dearly. I am sure nobody wants to see it repeated.?
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/02/putin_warns_us_to_eschew_socia.html
Communism =/= socialism.
I really wish people would understand that.
Please see my post @ 3:45
Yes, it is normal. I just think it shows that you don't mind government intervention when you benefit from it.
Exactly. Just like all those Republican Union members. It's ok if it benefits you, otherwise, it's unconstitutional.
I have health insurance and with Obamacare my premiums will rise to the point of it no longer being affordable to me. Health Insurance companies will be forced out of business. Obamacare forces insurance companies to accept anybody which throws the actuarial tables completely out of what.
My basic problem, is this limits personal responsibility and creates government dependence.
It is simply a way for government to raise money, I don't look at it as anything other than a tax. Same thing goes for driver's licenses, property taxes, sales tax yada yada.
It is inevitable the government will always be in some way instrusive into one's life as mentioned above. But why should we entrench ourselves even further?
You just proved you don't know the first thing about the ACA. Tell me again how health insurance companies are going to forces out of business??? Lol!
I think the point of the mandate is to force healthy people to take on insurance and this will balance out the forcing of insurance companies to cover people with pre-existing conditions.This, actually INCREASES personal responsibility--you should get insurance, even if you're not likely to need it. I'm a good driver, but my state doesn't like to just take me at my word for that.
I also fail to see how we're creating a culture of dependency for people, like cancer patients. That 6 year old leukemia patient wasn't being personally responsible?