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Re: We don't have a gun problem in this country
I just whole heatedly disagree with you. 3 days, a little cash, and a background check are not enough.
Buying a gun is a serious and potentially deadly purchase, if you don't have the patience and thoughtfulness to undergo a more extensive purchasing process, then maybe you shouldn't own a gun.
Good afternoon CoffeeBeen!
I hope all is well. Let's run with your last response. In your mind, what would constitute the ideal regulations regarding gun ownership? Are longer mandatory waiting periods, mental health screenings, training, and more money? How long of a waiting period is enough or how much money? The bottom line is that twisted individuals, criminals and any other person bent on acts of violence against people are going to carry out their deeds. This shooting was perpetrated with weapons not legally owned by the aggressor. In fact, this individual was denied a weapons purchase by the local gun shop. So, it would seem the system worked as intended to a point. There is no way to stop someone from stealing firearms from law abiding citizens even with a gun safe. I am not saying that gun safes and/or gun locks are not good deterrence against these actions. Bottom line is that this individual and the others who perpetrate these heinous acts are going to find a way to carry out these acts. I have been a responsible gun owner since I was 7 years old. My parents taught me from a young age the proper care, handling and use of firearms. I am passing that information to my son.
Geraldo,
I agree that folks should have a right to be able to go in public places, schools, etc. without fear of being killed, injured, bullied or otherwise harassed. Each individual in a free society should be able to exercise their God given rights in as much as they do NOT interfere with another?s exercise of their rights. The problem is not guns, cars, computers, telephones, word of mouth, etc. The problem is due to mans evil inclinations in their hearts and minds. I agree with you about the number of mass shootings. However, I would counter with the fact that mass bombings and other acts of violence are just as prevalent, if not more as they are in this country. The bottom line is we cannot fix people?s hearts. Only God can perform that miracle. By the way, I hope that you and your family have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. We are all blessed to live in a free society. I pray that everyone will remain cool headed, objective and continue this debate until a reasonable solution is found. I pray that no one is this country is faced with the events facing the families in Connecticut ever again!
Do you know who else was a responsible gun owner who passed that onto her son? Nancy Lanza, mother of the Newtown shooter, who was an avid gun collector and took her children to the range frequently.
It was her Bushmaster rifle that killed 20 six and seven year olds yesterday.
What news station do you watch??
Yeah, best not to anything. Sucks that 5 years are lined up and executed, but my right to own a gun is far more important.
Geraldo,
I disagree with your statement that Nancy Lanzas Bushmaster .223 rifle killed thos children. It was her son, Adam Lanza that performed the heinous killing. The gun did NOT fire itself.
RedheadBaker,
FYI, I do not typically watch a particular news channel. I prefer to obtain my information from multiple source web sites such as CNN, MSNBC, FOX. In addition, I also check out alternate sources of information such as drudge, talk radio, etc..
I totally disagree that nothing should be done. I am merely seeking a common sense approach to help solve the problem (if there is one, which I doubt). I wish there was a simple solution. Merry Christmas!
No, it was her gun. He did not strangle those kids, he did not beat them to death with his own hands. His gun, the rounds fired from his gun that penetrated their little bodies and caused them to die, that IS what killed them.
If he had had to do it himself, with his own hands, then you can say that he and he alone killed them.
If he didn't have that gun, he wouldn't have been able to kill them all.
Their cause of death is "gunshot wounds", not "Adam Lanza."
IF these reports are accurate...then NO...Nancy Lanza was not a responsible gun owner NOR was she a responsible parent. Responsible gun owners and parents do not let their children have access to such weapons. Responsible gun owners and parents do not take their troubled child to a shooting range.
However, I would implore you to not trust the reports of one or two websites before we have the facts of this case. Please let those in CT finish their investigations. Let's stop buying into every last media report we hear and read. Let the people in CT who are doing this hard and heartbreaking work finish their investigation before jumping to conclusions. And, if the facts of the case show that she did these things...then no...she was not a responsible gun owner nor a responsible parent.
The one thing we do know is that a mentally ill individual committed this heinous act. HE did it. We don't know why. And, it didn't matter what type of parents he had...it didn't matter what type of weapon he had. He was ill and troubled and he did this. Mental illness is a very, very horrible thing. Had Nancy Lanza not been killed by her own child, she would likely be praying for death at this very moment thinking that, in some way, she failed her son and was, herself, responsible for the deaths of these innocent lives.
Let's not be so quick to judge one of the victims.
Geraldo,
I believe the cause of death is multiple gunshot wounds inflicted by Adam Lanza. I think that I am going to have to agree to disagree with you on this one. Clearly, we are at an impasse regarding this issue. The tool utilized to perpetrate this crime is NOT the issue. The person wielding the tool is the issue.
Geraldo,
I must say that I am deeply disappointed in the tenor of this post. Neither myself or my son should be compared to this situation. My son is a fine young man who enjoys hunting, fishing and the outdoors. If I believed for one second that my son had issues that may lead to a similar situation, I would NOT be teaching him PROPER gun handling. As far as we know, Nancy Lanza died trying to prevent this autrocity. Let's wait until the investigation is complete to judge a victim in this crime. Have a blessed day.
I think you've missed my point. My point is that even if you are a responsible gun owner who does everything right, your gun can *still* be taken away from you and used for horrific crimes. The fact that you are a responsible gun owner doesn't mean that your guns then automatically aren't and cannot be a problem.
Guns are the problem. You can't kill 27 people in ten minutes with a knife, or a baseball bat, or your bare hands. Yes, it's possible to do so with a bomb, but bombs that actually work are a hell of a lot harder to come by than guns, which is why guns are the weapon of choice for mass murderers, not bombs.
Again. NO other Western country has the problems with guns that we do, and every one of them has much, much stricter gun control than we do. It does not take a genius to realize that there's a connection here.
Geraldo,
I apologize if I took your post the wrong way. I can tell you are very passionate as am I regarding this issue. I also concede that firearms are the weapon of choice in perpetrating these acts. However, I do not believe that punishing an entire country for the acts of so few is the correct solution. I am very distraught over this event and the loss of so many beautiful children, heroic and dedicated teachers and staff. I honestly do not know that there is a real human solution that would prevent these atrocities. Only God has the power to change hearts.
But punishing 20 kindergartners is ok?
I just can't fathom why gun control is seen as such a huge punishment. Safer gun laws to protect ourselves and our children are a punishment? The Michigan legislature just passed a bill that would allow people to take concealed weapons into schools, day care centers, churches, stadiums, etc. That was a horrible day. I felt like I was being punished, to use your word.
I just can't even understand your line of thinking. Why are people so obsessed with guns that having fewer of them and making them harder to get would be the worst thing in the world? It's just so odd to me.
I just cannot understand the mindset that "well yes it's sad that 20 six year olds were shot multiple times and left to bleed to death in a classroom, but I REALLy like my gun, and my desire to have a gun is far more important than the rights of kindergartners not to get shot to death. It's not FAIR that I should have to give up my hobby just so children don't get murderered."
Tartaruga,
This is not a kid vs. guns issue. This is a horrid autrocity committed by a deranged person. As for speeding laws and drunken driving laws, they are designed as deterrents and punishments. The laws are enacted to protect people from inappropriate behavior and to set forth punishments for those who choose to break those laws. They are not designed to infringe further on law abiding folks freedoms. If they were, then everyone would have to pay traffic fines and/or go to jail regardless if they broke the laws or not. In addition, why don't we add a traffic safety fee to the sale of every vehicle? Vehicles kill more children in any year than guns. If we make the fees high enough and enact sufficient waiting periods for the purchase of vehicles we can save many more lives. Why do we not lock away for good people who perpetrate a second DUI/DWI? What about locking up parents for good when their child is hurt or killed because the parent failed to ensure that a child was not in a safety seat or restraint in a vehicle they were operating? In closing, you can see that problem is not guns. It is a very small minority of people. Have a Merry Christmas.
I'm sorry, but this cracked me up. I love how you think you are bringing the pain with your argument (i.e., "In closing, you can see that problem is not guns.") when you are being nonsensical.
So, in your mind, wanting more stringent restrictions on how people purchase guns, how many they can have, where they can carry them, who they can shoot them at, etc., is akin to jailing a parent for life if they don't properly restrain their child in a car seat?
Oh.
I know, there are so many things wrong with her arguments I don't have the time nor patience to address it. I've been having much better luck with the gun control discussions on Parenting.
Wow, that's staggering.
Well if you want to get really technical, it wasn't the ammo or the gun that killed the kids, it was severe loss of blood or hypoxia from catastrophic injury to the heart that killed them.
But fine, let's ban ammo instead of guns. I'm OK with that.
This certainly shows the absurdity of the "if only more law-abiding citizens with concealed weapons were there, these shooters could be stopped!" argument.