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hello baby! goodbye marriage?

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Re: hello baby! goodbye marriage?

  • imagebridget1312:
    Divorce shouldn't be an option people unless he is physically hurting you or even cheats!  Marriage is supposed to be til death do you part.  What happened to vows mattering??  Good luck to you new mommy!!!  :)

    Well, given this guy's immaturity, selfishness and focus on sex, it's probably just a matter of time before he cheats because he isn't getting it at home. He sounds like the kind of "man" who would go get it elsewhere because boo hoo hoo, his wife isn't giving him sex because she's too busy taking care of his baby.

    So I guess she won't have to worry about passing your 'divorce is ok' test pretty soon. 

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  • imagemattandelisha:
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    Everyone's always on  such a quick thing to say, run!  Well, no things aren't exactly how they should be, but life never is.  He is being a complete immature azz, but he is also your husband who you both said your vows.  Better for worse sickness and health etc.  You have a million things goin on right now, and he needs to step up as a man, father and husband!  He may not listen, but tell him!  Obviously you are no longer just a wife anymore you have a ssweet lil baby to care for who both you and he made so he needs to realize that.  Both of your lives change and he needs to learn that when you have kids, your selfishness needs to go elsewhere!  Try to talk with him.  Thats the best I can say.  Divorce shouldn't be an option people unless he is physically hurting you or even cheats!  Marriage is supposed to be til death do you part.  What happened to vows mattering??  Good luck to you new mommy!!!  :)

    So to you, for 'better or for worse' means putting up with someone who isn't being a good father or husband?  Sorry but not in my book (or most of us for that matter) - divorce is an option and should be when someone in the marriage is not happy and the other person doesn't care to make things better or work things out to make sure the other is happy.

    Marriages will go through good times and bad times.  People can learn to grow together.  It may not always be easy, but when you do say those vows, sorry, better for worse, YES it does mean putting up with someone's crap sometimes.  Sorry, I am a little old fashioned and marriage is supposed to be a sacred thing and does not come easy.  In my opinion if you are so willing for divorce just because things aren't going right at the moment, then you never should have gotten married in the first place!  Marriage is work and isn't always peaches and cream!!!

     

    I couldn't agree more.  No wonder the divorce rate is so horrible in this country.  Marriage is a life long commitment.  It is not something to throw away because your husband wants to be intimate with you and doesn't want to clean.  Remember the reasons you love him.  After all, at least he wants intimacy from you and isn't going out and getting it from someone else.  Marriage counseling is a very good option and I think it would help you a lot.

    "Put up with his *** and give him what he wants, even if you are having an incredibly difficult time so he doesn't cheat on you!" is really terrific marriage advice. 

     

    All the counseling in the world isn't going to turn a whiny, immature 23 year old into a responsible husband. 

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  • imagemaganh91:

    my husband and i welcomed our daughter 6 weeks ago. that was when i realized that i had no idea what love was. since the second she was born she has become my entire world, which is the way it should be. but, ever since she was born it has been like a ticking time bomb. now, to understand why, you have to understand my husband...

    he is a 23 year old marine and we have been married for 7 months. we dated for years and met in high school. sure, hes a bit immature, ive been hoping that he will hurry up and grow out of it, but, im still waiting. so, for the past 6 weeks we have just been about to kill each other. all he does is sit around and he doesnt help me with the baby and he doesnt help me with the cleaning and all he does is complain saying that im not affectionate enough... newborns happen to be extremely demanding, not to mention the combined 6 hours a day that i spend breast pumping and all the other hours are filled with other baby related things. so, yea, i barely have time to brush my teeth let alone fool around with him.

    he keeps saying that i need to make time for him and that i need to make him feel loved and all this stuff. and all i can think is, "are you serious that big of a child that you are throwing a hissy fit because im not having sex with you? can you really not understand that you are no longer my number one priority and that your sexual needs are so far down on my list its not even funny?" every day, he get angry because of it. most of the time i dont even know it until i ask him something and he just crosses his arms and gives me that angry pouty face (you know that one you get from a 6 year old...) so, then, of course because hes angry for no reason i get angry because of how rediculous he is. and we end uo not speaking all day... im not going to lie, im not the same person i was before we had the baby. im all buisness now. i really dont care that hes upset, i know that sounds cruel, but i just feel like he should be able to deal with that... :/ im sure that ill get back to my old self once i can really get the hang of this mommy thing, but, im pretty sure thats gong to take a while. ive tried, i really have. ive tried to strech myself more and make time to make him feel warm and fuzzy, but i just cant yet. and in the mean time i really do expect him to self soothe.

    call me cold, call me heartless, but im doing the best i can. and i just want him to just  tough it out until it gets easier. i want him to wake up at night, i want him to take her so i can get a shower. i want him to STOP THROWING HISSY FITS! i dont need another child to take care of, i need a husband. is this normal? i thought he would kinda grow up a bit once she was born. i dont feel like he has the bond with her like i do, and that freaks me out.

    and then he tells me, "i dont know if i can go another two weeks..." implying that if i didnt make time for sex every day that he would leave... ARE YOU KIDDING ME YOU SELFISH PIG?

    OR, am i just really not good at this multitasking thing. am i just too mean to fake a happy face all the time? does everyone else do that? should i actually be happy all the time? i know that something is wrong, i just dont know how to fix it.  

    Well it seems you have a lot going on there. Now...I know exactly where you are coming from EXCEPT for having a baby. Reason being is that my husband is a MARINE as well. He is 25, soon to be 26. I can tell you that most marines, though i have only been with one marine, are immature. All of my husband's friends are. Aside from having to fight for our country, they have it made. A guaranteed paycheck, the barracks if they aren't married and BAH if they are so they can have a house on base or off, and the ability to do whatever they want outside of work as long as it doesnt involve disgracing the Marine Corps. My husband is similar in that he wants to have sex almost all the time and he gets really butt hurt if i don't have sex with him. However, he has never threatened to leave because of it. The Divorce rate in America is higher than any other country in the world. The Divorce Rate in the Marine Corps is higher than any other branch of service. The reason being the couple gets married to young, they have children before they are married or within their first year of marriage, money, deployments, and cheating. That is why the Marine Corps is making it harder for couples to get married. You married him because you love him right? Not for the benefits or anything? If so, then i would set the divorce card aside. You have been married for a short time and being married can be hard on anyone. Its especially hard on military couples because of some of the things they have to deal with. I would suggest you see a chaplain. Or talk to a licensed therapist. If not for both of you, then for yourself. There is a book i want you to check out. Its called Love and Respect: The Love she most desires, The Respect he desperately needs. It is a book that my husband and i read through before we got married. It will point out some things you never even thought about. Some might ever shock you. For example: By you not caring at all about his feelings and what he thinks that he needs...you are showing him disrespect. Men don't take disrespect lightly, especially from their wives. By him not listening to your needs and helping...he is being unloving in your eyes. You two have just lost sight of what a marriage is all about. A commitment to love and cherish one another through thick and thin. It doesn't honestly matter if there is a baby in the picture. Something has to give. 

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  • Hate to say it, but thats normal behavior for a 23 year old. Sit down and talk with him. Explain to him you want to have a very important discussion.   explain that maybe you wouldn't be too tired for him all the time if he helped you out once in a while. His pick, does he want to bond with the baby he helped create, or does he want to clean the house he helps dirty up. My first child is 5 months old. My finance and I went from at least 3 times a day to nothing for more than 8 weeks   and I mean nothing. If he wanted something done, he took care of it, if you know what I mean. I thought something was wrong with me, but he is really supportive and helped me realize, hello, I just pushed out a 10 pound baby without any doctors help. It took 9 months for my body to get ready for his birth, why should I expect my body to be back to normal asap. If he's threatening to leave or cheat, tell him you know you can't stop him and he'll do what he thinks is right. Thats what you're doing right now, what you think is right. Your baby is only 6 weeks old, how else is she going to take care of herself, she depends on the people who brought her into this world, and if he won't help, you have to take control.

    I feel for you and encourage you. I have no support either, other than my fiance. You sound like you're doing a great job on your own and I'm proud of you for not letting him get the better of you, take advantage of you or convince you to take care of his needs before your helpless newborns!u 

  • Everyone that said to try and not run, I agree with. marriage is hard work. I know I'm not married but my parents are and still continue to be today and they both had to struggle to get to where they are now. He is being selfish and completely unhelpful and you aren't out of line to not be able to spread yourself that thin. My goodness you just had a baby! But he is only 23 and you guys ran to the alter. I understand the issue on that though. But I don't think he expected you to be tired and not be able to take care of his needs. But if you both are simply shouting at eachother all the time, you will not get anywhere. I would definitely say counseling and those saying counseling won't help, I don't agree with. He may not understand it. He's 23. I'm 22 and I can say that I don't know tons of things he is still young and he is male they mature slower. Now if he is unwilling to work with you on anything and unwilling to try then yes I would lay divorce down on the table for him. As long as he isn't abusing you or cheating on you, then I say work it out. You don't know how things will go unless you try. And honestly jealousy is very common among new parents. It CAN go both ways if one parent is more attentive to the baby than the other if the mom gets post partum depression, but the point is it happens. He may think you enjoy spending all your time attending to the baby and not realize the real truth of it. I would try talking to him though calmly, seems like you both have perfected your newlywed screaming matches now work together to get rid of those! Arguing will always happen but there are better ways to work things out. I'm not saying yelling won't still happen but I do remember my parents fought much different in the beginning than they do now. lol I use them as my example because they are a good one for this. There were times my mom would wait up for my dad until he came home from a bar drunk as a skunk! He wasn't an acoholic it happened a few times though and I remember the struggles they went through. They recently had many issues and needed to rework things in the marriage there will be times where what worked for you 10 years ago in your marriage won't work now(after your married 10 years) all in all I'm saying marriage IS hard work. It's not a ray of sunshine. Everybody loves raymond, you should watch that, take the funny stuff out of it and you have a real marriage! You have to communicate in a manner in which both of you can explain how you feel and why it makes you act the way you do. I know I'm not married, I am going to be and I tell you we have already had to rework things are relationship hasn't been a ray of sunshine the whole time, but we found a way to make it work. That is what marriage is. Learning how to work together. I am not saying put up with it, I'm saying try to change it, both of you not just you, it's a team effort and if he isn't willing to work with you on it then yes do leave, that is okay. But whenever something goes wrong it's not supposed to be run to the nearest exit. Marriage is for better or for worse (excluding obvious reasons cheating, abuse, unwilling to work through things) but otherwise you stick it out and find a way to work together and it's not only on you to make the changes it is a TEAM effort. Let him know you need him and want him to help if you let him know that it may put a different light on it. He probably feels neglected not saying he is right at all but if he doesn't understand how demanding mothering is then he may feel that way and also see if he'll put himself in your shoes, have him take care of your child for a day or two and see how he feels. If he does that he may then understand why you aren't so enthused to hop in the sack! Sorry this was so long but I really hope you can work things out. Please don't run, any marriage will have problems like I said you can't just jump ship at a problem you have to both try to get through it. Let him know marriage and parenting is a team effort! It takes two to tango!
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  • I agree with PART of this. and only part. I agree that this guy is immature and that he needs to grow up. I agree it will take forever it seems to grow up. I agree he may NEVER grow up. BUT I do NOT agree that your first option is to leave him. I am sorry. I do NOT agree that this marriage was set up to failure. I do NOT agree that this is unfixable.

    Let me tell you a little of my story. I am 22 years old. My husband is 27 almost 28. I married my husband 2 months ago, so maybe I am not an expert on marriage yet, but I trust my feelings and my husband's as well to keep at it. I had my son in October of 2011. He is almost 16 months old. I met my husband right out high school. I was 18, he was 24. We dated on and off for a while due to him leaving town and me being an immature freshman in college. He came back into town and got another local job and I was at his house all teh time so we figured why not? lets move in together. So i moved in with him. I just turned 20 that week. A month later i found out i was pregnant. I told him that I want to be with my baby's daddy forever but i wont stay if we are unhappy. (This is February btw) in April, we split up for 2 weeks. When I moved back, we realized that we really did want to be together forever and he proposed. We married a year an a half later and are really happy. So to the topic at hand. We had an unplanned pregnancy and we have problems. I was the one getting up with the baby, i was the one doing everything and i still am. I am too tired sometimes and i wish i wasnt half the time. I COMPLETELY understand where you (the original poster) are coming from. It is hard and it is even harder when you have a MAN breathing down your neck for sex and for this and that and it feels like you cant do it all. You are not overreacting at all. I still do everything around my house. and I feel like i cant do it all sometimes too. and i get frustrated. but you have to think, he didnt carry the baby for 9-10 months. YOU did. Your body knew there was a life growing before anyone else. He doesnt have that bond, he doesnt understand like you do. Its called Maternal Instincts. Every mother has them and every father doesnt as much as mothers. lol

    The solution: seriously sit down and talk it out. Tell him what you want and have him tell you what he wants. Talk about the way yall really feel and if you reallly want to go further. Write it all down if you have to first and have him do the same. Seriously this is the best thing rather than leavign him. It just may be you aggitated right now, dont do something you would regret. Just talk it out. If yall arent meant to be together than you will figure it out by talking. Maybe you telling him what you want and need will show him what he needs to do to keep you. if he cant see or understand or still love you after, then leave him. but try to work it out first. Unplanned pregnancies dont mean doomed relationships. I promise.

  • A few issues with what you've said:

    "that was when i realized that i had no idea what love was. since the second she was born she has become my entire world, which is the way it should be."

    Umm...I think you mean this in a "I love her so much, it's insane!" kind of way, but your wording *is* very cold.  And if you've ever said this to someone in front of your husband, I could understand why he's feeling a bit hurt.  Your daughter should not be your entire world.  That is a huge misconception.  Your FAMILY should be your entire world.  That includes your husband.  

    "he keeps saying that i need to make time for him and that i need to make him feel loved and all this stuff. and all i can think is, "are you serious that big of a child that you are throwing a hissy fit because im not having sex with you? can you really not understand that you are no longer my number one priority and that your sexual needs are so far down on my list its not even funny?""

    You *do* need to make time for him.  You *do* need to make him feel loved.  I'm bothered by your reaction to his need/want to be affectionate with you.  You poor thing, your husband wants to have sex with you and wants to be spending some time alone with you...how awful for you.  I can understand that you feel stretched/busy, which is something that you should verbalize to him in a mature way, but he has every right to want to be spending some alone time with you.

    "i really dont care that hes upset"

    Really?  Again...that's cold.  So...you're saying that if it was the other way around, and your husband was completely ignoring you but spending all day with his new favorite person in the whole wide world...it wouldn't bother you at all?  If this is the case, then you need to rethink your marriage.

     If your husband was acting "immature" (as you put it) before the baby was born...what, you thought having the baby would miraculously change that?  Was your baby supposed to be a problem-solver?  Have you had a *mature* conversation with your husband (by mature I mean, leave out the accusations, the phrases "hissy fit", "selfish pig", and "angry pouty face") about what you expect from this marriage as far as the baby is concerned?  I get the sense that you haven't.  You go on and on about how immature your husband is, but your post is riddled with very childish remarks and snide comments about this man you're supposed to love, this man you share a child with.  

    If you're unable to have a mature, grown-up conversation with your husband, I vote couples counseling.  But you need to look in the mirror and see yourself for what you are, and not just bash talk your husband to everyone like you're a saint yourself.

  • There are a lot of good points in this post.

     OP, you need to remember that you have created a FAMILY, not just a baby, and that's what needs to be nourished and developed. Yes, you're tired, and yes, he could be helping out more, but if you don't tell him this - how will he know?

     My children are 12 and 9, and there was quite an adjustment to be made when they were born. My ex-H and I stopped communicating after 8 years of marriage. I took for granted that he'd know what to do to help me, and he thought I didn't need help if I didn't ask. 

     I've ended a marriage. It's the hardest thing in the world. We tried to make it work, but it wasn't to be. We're great friends now, and our kids know that above all else, they have two parents who love them.

    You need to be a wife and a mother. Both. Not one or the other. It will take time - you are both adjusting to the new roles you're in. Have a conversation without yelling - that's the place to start.

     

    Good luck.

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  • Ive never posted here... Just been lurking. But I just wanted to say to OP that I'm sorry you're going through this. I have been through something very, very similar. And it took extreme measures (calling off our engagement) for my boyfriend to change the way he was acting/treating me.

    I agree with some of the PP, seek counselling (marital and individual!!). You'd be amazed by how much it really does help.

    Good luck!

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  • Actions speak louder than words.  You just need to plop that child in his arms and let him figure it out.  If he asks you what she needs, help him figure it out for himself.  Don't give him the option to give her back to you or just ignore her.  Make sure he takes responsibility for some of the baby activities (feedings, changings, cuddles, etc.)  Men don't like to be told to do things, so don't ask him to do things.  Just hand over the kid so he has to work.  When you take time to do chores, tell him what you intend to do ("I'm going to vacuum the floor.") and then when the task is finished, tell him what you've done ("I've finished vacuuming").  Then tell him you expect him to thank you when you finish chores.  Make sure he thanks you for it.  And I'm talking every chore that you do.  If he has to acknowledge the things you do with his thanks, he will come to realize how much you actually do for him and your family.  Also, whenever he does something for you and the family, make sure that you thank him, too!  That should go a long way toward getting you both to grow up and accept each other as functioning members of your own family. 
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