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SIL gossips to her kids that our teenage son is gay! (kinda long sorry)

NAOMI220099NAOMI220099 member
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edited February 2014 in Family Matters
First of all normally I would consider this a compliment cause our gay friends have been a better influence on our kids. Second our time has been limited with that part of the family cause of their short mindedness towards race, culture, religion, & politics. Thirdly never in a million years did I ever think I should discuss other peoples kids reproductive lifestyles with our kids non of my buisness, gross! FI & I have been together for 8 yrs living as married. We have a 2yr old & a 14yr old.
Last September we had a 14th birthday party. I had him invite his family in good faith to prove that I could enjoy their company. They have been invited before but came up with excuses this was their first & maybe last. We rented a party room at the arcade got pizza & I invited a friend & we had at least 30 guest. It was a blast! I even did a dance cause I thought I proved myself wrong. Then uh-oh during the sleep over fiance came & told me that his nephew asked our son if he was gay cause his mom had a convo about it with him & his older sister. I was floored, Id expect something like that from BIL not her. FI took nephew home & confronted her. She said its because of the way he dresses then FI told her she was stupid & it shouldnt matter. Then reminded her her son was a cheerleader & wishes he had his clothes how would they would feel if someone stereotyped him.
Since then Ive avoided them seeing them Thanksgiving & Christmas. Despite some topics of discussion geared to make me feel uncomfortable I had fun playing games with the kids. Not to sound ungreatful they gave me another 5 dollar grudge gift, cause I dont make their drama a priority & I try not to let them see their antics bother me. No matter how little or how much we spend our gifts are thoughtful. The year FI lost his job we spent $130 this year at least $300 on all 4 of the kids plus a 50 dollar gift card for pizza. It was about the kids, even though they ask for expensive things & never give back in the sense of being caring. They gave my oldest jenga another year yatzee, I dont get it people that are tacky, insulting, far from thoughtful should go that extra mile, bake some cookies or something especially after they brag about making 30k on a job & blowing it while treating our kids like dogs. I always give my friends & family red carpet 5 star treatment in being caring & thoughtful they are such users & takers they would take someones last unemployment check, shiesty.
Easter I skipped last year but I normally get their kids baskets & candy them they dont bring chocolate bunnies or empty eggs. I thought all these good gestures would make them be nice or not alienate. This year we are camping for earthday (easter sunday). FIs birthday last year BIL asked if we wanted to go out to eat after I cooked FI was like she just cooked, so he does bring it to their attention good for him.
Everything repulsive you could imagine including passing gas when your walking up stairs behind them thats when I stopped trying as much & started being polite from afar. They were offended when I stop trying & offended when I asked them not to say the N word especially round our kids, Im mixed & I never called them rascist. Not everything has been mentioned. If I acted like that I would be the worst person in the world, while others get a slap on the wrist, excuse they are family. FI saw them 4 times in the past 6 months & I used to get bad looks for not coming around. FI has gotten so stressed to the point of back pains.
I try to have compassion that part of the family was there for FI when he was badly burned & disfigured, he underwent reconstructive plastic surgery, physical therapy & stem cell research that gave him half his face back, regrew muscle tissue, & he looks like nothing ever happened also has full use of his arm. I do know under certain circumstances that dont include drama we would be there. This has to stop.
Whenever FI goes around them we do argue other than that we dont at all & last Christmas MIL told me not to let them break us up. He lost his dad when we first met & his brother the same way last fall thats a different story. SIL started acting like this when BIL asked her to quit her job so he could write that million dollar program, they are also competitive wanting to put others down. They dont have anything I want, truth is our oldest son & I needed this family cause our family lives in Canada. Ive never posted here before these are mostly my frustrations. So please dont do what Ive seen on the other post & be mean, since the post is about how mean people suck!
Im only thinking of this cause Im planning our 2 yr olds birthday with in a month. Last year BIL bickered with MIL why she doesnt come see his kids, cause all he does is argue. She removed BIL from her fb cause he was siding with his ex stepmom letting her alienate her, then right after sil tried adding me I blocked them both. I dont want to have to plan 2 birthdays. Im going all out mickey mouse theme indoor jump bounce house & crafty stuff. If they make it about their drama I will say something like this is a 3 year olds birthday & Im all about making happy memories if u are not there is the door.
Many blessings to your families.



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Re: SIL gossips to her kids that our teenage son is gay! (kinda long sorry)

  • NAOMI220099NAOMI220099 member
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    edited February 2014
    Isnt typed the best. Just found the edit button. I was multi tasking putting away dinner, toddler bath, cleaning ect hope its legible!
  • NAOMI220099NAOMI220099 member
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    edited February 2014
    Our youngest they were not invited to his first birthday we made it about the grandparents not about their drama. Nasty looks on that one.
  • edited February 2014
    Here is what you need to do:

    Go right to the source of all the bull and tell your SIL that she is to stop the malicious gossip once and for all.

    How shitty she is picking on a kid. "Act your age not your shoe size" and "If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all" are 2 addages that fit your SIL.

    You ought to let her know that SHE will be banned from all further excursions you plan for your kiddoes and for holidays if she doesn't cut out the bullshit.
  • I'd be pissed if someone called my son gay and I totally get what you're saying. I think your fiancee was right to say something and I'm glad to hear he confronted SIL and defended your son. Someone needed to stand up to her. I'd probably keep my son as far away from SIL as possible and just let him know she isn't someone trustworthy and that he shouldn't take her seriously.

    I hope you'll get better advise on here than I did because according to one person calling a kid fat isn't the worst thing you can say to someone and allowing someone to get to you for calling you gay in the year 2014 is really sad. Yes, that was discussed in the Neighbor Issue post. So, hopefully you'll have better luck  than I did on here and hear from people who can empathize with others.
  • I'm a little confused about what the bottom line issue/person is here. Whoever it is, your H needs to tell them the drama is not going to be tolerated and neither is racism, intolerance, or bigotry. That's not how you plan to raise your kids and you don't want them around it. Then stick to what you said. You don't have to be around these people or invite them to anything.

    As far a nephew asking if your son is gay...did his mom have a discussion with the nephew about gays in general (like, some families have two dads), or was she actually saying to she thinks your son is gay? 

    If she was actually saying she thinks your son is gay, I would again have your H tell her that is inappropriate. He's 14. It's not really up for discussion, much less gossip.

    Now, if she had a general discussion with her kid and he then asked your son if he was gay...there's not a whole lot you can do about that, especially at this point. Kids say things. Especially if it's on their minds because if a recent conversation. 

    Good luck and do what you need for your sanity and the welfare of your kids. H needs to be the starting point though if it's his family.
  • BTW, what I mean about there not being much you can do about the nephew asking if he's gay is that if you try to address it with him, it would probably do more harm than good at this point. If the situation is over, no reason to rehash it and bring unwanted scrutiny to your son.
  • JulienC said:
    I'd be pissed if someone called my son gay and I totally get what you're saying. I think your fiancee was right to say something and I'm glad to hear he confronted SIL and defended your son. Someone needed to stand up to her. I'd probably keep my son as far away from SIL as possible and just let him know she isn't someone trustworthy and that he shouldn't take her seriously.

    I hope you'll get better advise on here than I did because according to one person calling a kid fat isn't the worst thing you can say to someone and allowing someone to get to you for calling you gay in the year 2014 is really sad. Yes, that was discussed in the Neighbor Issue post. So, hopefully you'll have better luck  than I did on here and hear from people who can empathize with others.
    You are seriously nuts. THAT is what you got from that post and are hanging on to? Seriously?
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  • A few things jump to mind - first off, about the gay comment toward your son, you don't know the context of the discussion they had. Maybe the kids asked and were speculating, who knows? Unless you suspect that your SIL was maliciously calling your son gay in an attempt to be hurtful (?) or sitting around their kitchen table speculating and laughing about your son's style and sexual preferences then I would be more inclined to just let it go and talk about it with your son that some people are just more close minded than others, no big deal. Being stylish does not equal anything else and even if it did what would it matter? Meh. 

    As for the family themselves, they just don't sound like great people. They sound quite judgmental, close minded and, well, gross. 

    Like, I can see it happen if you are running up the stairs and it sneaks out or something... one of those moments... ; )

    I get that you are far from home, and that you are in a foreign culture but just because they are related doesn't necessarily need to make them family. These people aren't worth it.
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  • JulienC said:
    I'd be pissed if someone called my son gay and I totally get what you're saying. I think your fiancee was right to say something and I'm glad to hear he confronted SIL and defended your son. Someone needed to stand up to her. I'd probably keep my son as far away from SIL as possible and just let him know she isn't someone trustworthy and that he shouldn't take her seriously.

    I hope you'll get better advise on here than I did because according to one person calling a kid fat isn't the worst thing you can say to someone and allowing someone to get to you for calling you gay in the year 2014 is really sad. Yes, that was discussed in the Neighbor Issue post. So, hopefully you'll have better luck  than I did on here and hear from people who can empathize with others.
    You are seriously nuts. THAT is what you got from that post and are hanging on to? Seriously?
    There's no need to call someone nuts on here. That is really rude and nasty. How can you come on here and blast me for stating the truth? But if you insist please privately message me on your feelings so that we don't take anything away from this post.
  • Oh my god. THAT is really rude and nasty to you? Really? 

    Oh you are delightful. You aren't stating the truth. At all. You are reading selectively, taking something out of context and dwelling on something you find inflammatory instead of looking at the real issue - which was pointed out to you - because you don't want to consider that you may be prone to overreaction. 
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  • Oh my god. THAT is really rude and nasty to you? Really? 

    Oh you are delightful. You aren't stating the truth. At all. You are reading selectively, taking something out of context and dwelling on something you find inflammatory instead of looking at the real issue - which was pointed out to you - because you don't want to consider that you may be prone to overreaction. 
    Funny how I'm prone to overreaction but something along the same lines (like this post) isn't. Hmmm...is someone a little biased here because she's buddy buddy with someone and feels the need to defend her friend? Like I said, privately message me if you have more to say on that matter. We don't need to act like high school kids on here.
  • Why would I private message you? YOU'RE the one that brought it up in this post. And stop being paranoid, I don't even know who you are talking about. 
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  • Why would I private message you? YOU'RE the one that brought it up in this post. And stop being paranoid, I don't even know who you are talking about. 
    If you don't know who I am talking about go back and reread and not only will you figure out who I'm talking about but you'll see that what I stated above wasn't taken out of context. Why did you feel a need to respond to this post? You are overreacting.

    Sorry OP, lets get back to the real issue here. No, I would never tolerate anyone bullying my son or anyone else's.
  • When I said "this post" I was referring to what I posted, not OP's post.
  • JulienC said:
    Why would I private message you? YOU'RE the one that brought it up in this post. And stop being paranoid, I don't even know who you are talking about. 
    If you don't know who I am talking about go back and reread and not only will you figure out who I'm talking about but you'll see that what I stated above wasn't taken out of context. Why did you feel a need to respond to this post?
    Oh good lord! You're still seething about this?! Freaking let it go. Oh wait, that's the problem. You can't let shit go.

    I think it's pretty funny and awesome though that you think I have my own little gang of posters who do my bidding just because other people disagreed with you as well.

    For the record, I wish being called fat is the worst thing anyone has ever done to me. 

    Now give it a fucking rest and quit hijacking this post with your personal vendetta. 
  • NAOMI220099NAOMI220099 member
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    edited February 2014
    Thank you, all for your input. My son says he doesnt let what people say get to him, a few weeks later he cried. Kids do take things to heart & she said it to be mean. Since then now I realize she is fake nice & an instigator. Since 2008 I have not been to their home & BIL came over twice last year. I see them less than 5 times a year if that. H & I had a discussion about everything & he calls them out, & our kids time is limited with them.

    MIL is trying so hard to enjoy her grandkids without the bickering & to have nice things planned its really sad & disheartening. Sometimes she doesnt invite them, like one 4th of July cook out she had her new age lady friends & one was transgender come over. It was good food & relaxing. Also MIL is on the right wing conservative political spectrum if people want to label all these things. I find her friends are interesting & very dynamic. People are people & if they have different idealisms & enjoy their time together thats cool. What I dont understand is why BIL & wife have to constantly look at our differences, unless they are questioning their own. I just think leaving our kids out of all of that is for the best.

    I dont expect people to walk on egg shells, when I do see them its cordial not as engaging, or light hearted discussion, & I find other ways to occupy my time. We as a couple dont cause problems & H's stepdad is the sweetest & his mom she used to be an artist like disney & stuff it was a pleasure & privelage to go to the museum with them. I think his parents are great & Im glad our relationship is strong, it had a few bumps cause of BIL now we just try our best to tune the negative behavior out. The more we do the more outlandish they get.
    I blocked them on facebook for now & we already made our plans the next 2 weekends H doesnt say anything but the museum this weekend his doing & MIL offered to watch our youngest..Im thinking they have been dealing with this abusive behavior for awhile & to be honest I dont think they have been catering to it good for them, no one wants to feel ganged up on. Who wants to be around emotionally exhaustive people, ill just keep my distance, they started being this way cause we dont let them use us, they make twice as much a year than what we make on their bad year & squander. While at the same time another occasion tried taking our last 500 bucks from a lay off. BIL makes at least 125000 on a bad year but is the same person to borrow without returning. No respect. We have to make every cent count & we dont have the luxary of working from home & stirring up drama. IDK to much time on their hands.
  • Sillygirl45Sillygirl45 member
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    Sounds like you're dealing as best you can. Avoid them as much as possible and ignore them when you can't. Some people are just weird.
  • If they're not adding anything positive to your lives then it's best to just leave them be. Not easy, but worth it. 

    Don't worry or focus on how much money they make vs spend. You don't know the ins and outs of their financial situation and really, what does it matter? Or that they have luxuries that you don't. Be happy with what you have - a happy family and social circle, confident kids and really cool parents in law.Don't feed the trolls.
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  • As far as the farting, if its anything repulsive they do it around me especially. Last year their half brother visited & it showed me that they know how to be on their best behavior ...even be generous. Gave ex stepmom a car who is also known for being a user. We helped them remodel their house they are in for free in 2008 & even then had a poor attitude about it. Havent helped since other than H helped with roofing a shop & made him pay him lol. They stopped asking. No more free rides. If they were nice we would enjoy doing stuff with them.
    We are planning the bday, Im going to avoid them. Try to stop thinking about it. Thanks again.
  • Good for you for recognizing that really the only thing you can control in this situation is how much you associate with them and how much you let it bother you.
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  • JulienC said:
    Why would I private message you? YOU'RE the one that brought it up in this post. And stop being paranoid, I don't even know who you are talking about. 
    If you don't know who I am talking about go back and reread and not only will you figure out who I'm talking about but you'll see that what I stated above wasn't taken out of context. Why did you feel a need to respond to this post?
    Oh good lord! You're still seething about this?! Freaking let it go. Oh wait, that's the problem. You can't let shit go.

    I think it's pretty funny and awesome though that you think I have my own little gang of posters who do my bidding just because other people disagreed with you as well.

    For the record, I wish being called fat is the worst thing anyone has ever done to me. 

    Now give it a fucking rest and quit hijacking this post with your personal vendetta. 
    Like OP said above "kids take things to heart." Funny how you can get so overworked on name calling and insist names aren't the worst thing to call a kid (including using the word gay in 2014) but come on here and advise someone else with an issue along the same lines as mine (name calling) and react the opposite of what you insisted I do. For example, you told OP to have her husband address the issue to his sister if she did tell her kids OP's son is gay and let her know it was inappropriate. Well, why didn't anyone give me that type of advise when neighbor called my kid fat?  It doesn't make sense but I assume you dislike me that much that you can be empathetic towards one poster and not the other. I'm glad you didn't tell OP that it's 2014 and that it's "sad" if he thinks the word gay is the worst thing someone can say to him in this day and age. Then you tell me how you think I'm "unbalanced" (which isn't any better than name calling). I don't think any of that would ring well with anyone.

    OP you have received great advise so far and it seems as if you are handling things well! Good luck.
  • NAOMI220099NAOMI220099 member
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    edited February 2014
    Thanks again. Sometimes its hard to avoid them, like some holidays. At this time manageable. No I dont really think so much of how much they have or dont have, they used to try to be entitled to all we have & free labor. H gave them a house before we met. It was a shack til we made it liveable. When we finished remodeling us & a few of H's friends did it all they didnt lift a finger. Let it sit for a year til MIL kicked them out of a farm house on 70 acres they trashed it out so bad the garbage was as big as the house. The remodeled house was in better condition when we finished, now another mound of trash. Hazmat made them clean it up once. I couldnt believe it.
    Everytime I see them they talk about how much they make like competing. Im also thinking maybe they are jealous of our relationship with their parents. Now that I think about it we have never really been on MILs bad side we dont take advantage, if we borrow we pay back promptly & i dont think she ever complains about us and a few weeks ago they tried injecting my name into something I didnt know about. They had some sort of argument then they had a knock down drag out fight MIL defriended BIL, then the next day SIL tried friending me. Im not fb friends with any of them.
    It used negatively affect our relationship with MIL she had a hard time getting close to us at first. She also used to come off like BIL almost like she absorbed the toxic energy but we took her to the pumpkin patch & tricker treating then while in the car almost cried about how fun it was to go out & do normal stuff, then preceeded to read H a hateful text from BIL.
    Please note last summer when she got trampled by a horse with a broke foot, horses loose she called BIL to help he lives 30 minutes away. He told her it wasnt broke & acted like he couldnt be bothered. H took off work & our oldest son drove an hour away to chase 7 horses & take his mom to the hospital. They had to get the horses back before they caused an accident on the road shortly after she sold them all. MIL cared for her mom with alzheimers til she couldnt bare it anymore, & all I can say is thats pretty messed up. It burns H up. At least everyone sees thru all that bs. It doesnt have to be that way.
    I used to go to counceling to learn better coping skills & for anger management. My councelor & I both agreed I didnt need counceling, but this did help cause I could vent to her & not H. Saw her a week ago when this started up again. I have anxiety Christmas cause of everyones elses expectations so does H so we let that go & focused more on creating warm fuzzy memories for the kids & our parents (my mom moved here). I may see them 3 times this year, thats alot more than I get to see my family or old college friends in Texas.
    Last Thanksgiving after the birthday party was the best cause I didnt let them take my joy away, SIL had a hard time looking me in the eyes.
    The only other thing I know is to focus on me I got a scholarship & have been surrounding ourselves with positive people. To be honest after alot of hard work we do have good things happening in our lives its not perfect but its the possibilities. Often I heard BIL talk about feeling stagnat we gave him project ideas. Constructive is good but negative things can really mess with your psyche & sidetrack you from happiness, he can choose that all he wants. As you can tell Ive absorbed some toxic energy & I really hate feeling this way about people, thats what bothers me the most. I used to get along with everyone.
  • I completely understand OP with your battle to cope with things you can't control. I struggle horribly with this especially when it comes to my son. I have had to distance myself from family as well (although I wouldn't advise it to everyone who has family issues since it's one of the hardest things I've ever had to do in my life). These people seem toxic and I think it will hurt your son more if you allow him to be around them and if he saw that his family didn't stick up for him. I'm proud that your Fiance  handled the situation the way he did. I think calling a kid gay is just brutal and offensive. There is no way a kid wouldn't take that to heart. I've had a talk with my son about the word gay and what it means. I let him know that a lot of kids use the word and though it's offensive not to let it get to him if someone does throw that word at him because kids can be cruel. So, even though nobody has ever told him he was gay I want him to be aware of  its meaning so that if he ever hears kids use it towards him (or other kids) he isn't completely caught off guard. I also told him that there are gay people and that there's nothing wrong with being friends with someone who is gay. They can't control what they are. Yeah, I had to have this talk with my son when he was very very young (probably 7) because I know from experience that kids use this word on a regular basis as if it's no big deal. However, they don't realize the pain this inflicts on others. But to hear that your SIL would talk about gay people disapprovingly in front of her own kids and then have the nerve to label your son gay is really sad. I'd want nothing to do with her and if your son felt the same way then I wouldn't really feel the need to go out of my way to have him around this woman. There will be times you may have to interact with her because she's family but at least you and your son know she isn't someone really worth your time and that your expectations of her are so low that when she says stupid crap you aren't surprised. It's what you expected from her.
  • NAOMI220099NAOMI220099 member
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    Its like they have conditioned me to always expect the worse. Boys & girls both deal with different type of bullying. We were very fortunate to have met some of the people we have met in the music & art community also thru volunteer work. Im worried about our youngest. I put him in various play groups keep him occupied & surround ourselves with diverse people.
    Alot of my gay friends have been supportive. My best friend I met him while volunteering at an hiv clinic & he was also my classmate in art school he went on to gradschool, & is HIV positive living in the POS community that might be to much info, but my son knows him as an uncle he said they were lame. He taught me how to sew & make bears before build a bear. He is now a yoga instructor & does various film exhibits in San Fran he knows my disappointment & saddness.
    Then my very peaceful buddhist mixed marriage lesbian friends one is a librarian the other manages a health food store want to kick their butts over the N word & is your son gay thing. They couldnt believe it when I told them it was because he wears skinny jeans. He is well mannered & sometimes has long hair to reflect the native american side easy on the eyes all that combined he must be. Now I feel like Im bashing, living in certain places I had to warn him about how people talk about gay people, walking with his friend skate boarding he was 9 or 10 some kids drove by yelling fag, this from what Ive seen alot of guys do this.
    I also had to warn him about the black jokes, growing up I heard it all & I dont want anyone to make him for a second feel ashamed or think being black is something bad...he has hazel eyes very light fair skin he looks white when he used to go out with my dad people were confused. I myself had people tell me being black wasnt my fault in the 90s.
    He should be proud of who he is no matter what sexuality, race, whatever label or identity. Does the way he dress hurt anyone, no. Kids have to have positive ways to see themselves. All of my misfit friends are proud of him. I told H they were lucky I didnt claw SILs eyes out, yes anger management does wonders. My older son & I have son have been thru alot to havent we all? Sometimes I do feel like they ag it on. How would it look if I farted all over them Christmas then asked if there daughter was on the pill then told them I was tired of their fascist the kkk has a right to freedom of speech even though we dont agree attitude now that kinda stuff I dont trivialize & shouldnt kinder nicer topics should be discussed on Christmas & Easter?
    One easter BIL said jesus wasnt black then looked over at me, I have no opinion unless you want to discuss archeology/anthropology that was most my course work. My white mom believes Jesus was black I didnt know that til then, thats her but she doesnt do stuff like that. I have my own personal belief I dont critic I dont make assumptions & saying something cause you think it should offend or or alienate whatever desired outcome you want in doing so, its a drag...hey I may use that one. Im not giving them the desired outcome, being a drama queen I guess. All I can say they have a problem & its not mine...or our kids...poor H he is embarrassed.
  • JulienC said:

    JulienC said:
    Why would I private message you? YOU'RE the one that brought it up in this post. And stop being paranoid, I don't even know who you are talking about. 
    If you don't know who I am talking about go back and reread and not only will you figure out who I'm talking about but you'll see that what I stated above wasn't taken out of context. Why did you feel a need to respond to this post?
    Oh good lord! You're still seething about this?! Freaking let it go. Oh wait, that's the problem. You can't let shit go.

    I think it's pretty funny and awesome though that you think I have my own little gang of posters who do my bidding just because other people disagreed with you as well.

    For the record, I wish being called fat is the worst thing anyone has ever done to me. 

    Now give it a fucking rest and quit hijacking this post with your personal vendetta. 
    Like OP said above "kids take things to heart." Funny how you can get so overworked on name calling and insist names aren't the worst thing to call a kid (including using the word gay in 2014) but come on here and advise someone else with an issue along the same lines as mine (name calling) and react the opposite of what you insisted I do. For example, you told OP to have her husband address the issue to his sister if she did tell her kids OP's son is gay and let her know it was inappropriate. Well, why didn't anyone give me that type of advise when neighbor called my kid fat?  It doesn't make sense but I assume you dislike me that much that you can be empathetic towards one poster and not the other. I'm glad you didn't tell OP that it's 2014 and that it's "sad" if he thinks the word gay is the worst thing someone can say to him in this day and age. Then you tell me how you think I'm "unbalanced" (which isn't any better than name calling). I don't think any of that would ring well with anyone.

    OP you have received great advise so far and it seems as if you are handling things well! Good luck.
    Ok, this is the last time I am going to address you directly. I still have hope you will hear me. 

    The last post you wrote (in your previous post) was totally understandable and reasonable. With that, I did not feel you were unbalanced at all. Maybe I should not have said you sounded like you were. I was upset that you would tell me that I would have no sympathy for suicide victims families and would blame them for what happened to their kids. You do not know how severe bullying and suicide have affected me. I don't care to get into that, but I admit it got to me. There were multiple assumptions you made about me I could ignore. That wasn't one of them. So, I guess you got me. You were trying to find what words would make me upset. You hit it.

    I do not have anything personally against you. I think you are a loving mother who wants the best for her son and can't stand to see him hurt. I just read some of your old posts and see you have family issues and other issues that would understandably cause you to be defensive. We all do. Me included. 

    I do have a personal issue with people perpetuating that "gay" is bad or wrong. I completely understand kids name call to tease, fit in, and also to be cruel. My hope is if we all take the negative connotation out of being called "gay", it eventually won't be seen as horrible. Because being gay isn't horrible. 

    The situation you posed was hypothetical. It hasn't happened so I can't speak to it other than to say the more we teach our kids acceptance and love the better. That's not to say it should be ignored if it does rise to the level of bullying. That is a different issue.

    How I see OP's situation as different is the nephew asked if he was gay. That's not necessarily name calling or offensive. Maybe he was repeating what his mom said. Maybe he was genuinely curious. Maybe he was trying to be cruel. Regardless, the kid is 14. His sexual orientation isn't up for debate or gossip. Really no ones is. This again isn't relentless bullying, it was a question posed. An inappropriate question, but just a question none the less. 

    The reason her H should be dealing with this particular issue is because it is his family. I feel each spouse should deal with their family if nonsense is going on. 

    So, @JulienC I officially extend an olive branch to you. I'm sorry you feel I have a personal issue with you. I do not.

    I have found a lot of help on these boards with how to deal with family issues without even having to post a question. I wish you good luck and your children have a great mom who is willing to appear a little unbalanced to protect them. Nothing wrong with that. 

    :)
  • NAOMI220099NAOMI220099 member
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    edited February 2014
    People that go out of their way to antagonize others on special happenings like holidays & birthdays & keep people from enjoying their time together also with the kids must be truly miserable, thats all I can say.
  • People that go out of their way to antagonize others on special happenings like holidays & birthdays & keep people from enjoying their time together also with the kids must be truly miserable, thats all I can say.
    You're correct. I'm sorry you have to deal with these people.
  • I think from our own experiences with life it's likely why we react the way we do. Some people grow up never experiencing evil or turn a blind eye to it but for many people evil is very real. Shit, even some people on here are a bit evil if you ask me. It sounds like there are some people in your family that aren't easy to tolerate. Everyone has a family member (or members) that are shitty to be around but it's up to us individually to decide how to handle them. I guess it's life. We just have to learn to cope better and try not to let words eat at us. As you have probably figured out I'm struggling to let go of the insults people have thrown at me (and are continuing to do so) on this forum over a disagreement stemmed from different view points. Standing up for my son for being called fat isn't popular with the majority so according to them I loose but hey at least I stood up for something I believed in regardless of the popular vote. That in itself does teach my son something just like you taught your son that someone calling him gay is inappropriate,disrespectful, and unacceptable. It teaches our kids to stand up for what they believe in. But letting comments on here get to me is something I will work on and I'll try not to let their words eat at me although it's hard. I need to learn to take the high road.  I guess this method can be applied to real life and our dilemmas with others as well. But we should speak up when we feel that someone has crossed the line. And from your description of events your SIL clearly crossed the line.
  • My mom is the only family member near she is easy going & doesnt act like that. Im sure my dad would have told them a thing or to. All I know is kids do go thru a self image phase & some kids have killed themselves over these issues. Discussing topics on inet can be brutal. Ive gotten something good from each post. This is basically a conversation on personal attacks everyone has there way to communicate, kids should enjoy being kids.
  • JulienC said:

    JulienC said:
    Why would I private message you? YOU'RE the one that brought it up in this post. And stop being paranoid, I don't even know who you are talking about. 
    If you don't know who I am talking about go back and reread and not only will you figure out who I'm talking about but you'll see that what I stated above wasn't taken out of context. Why did you feel a need to respond to this post?
    Oh good lord! You're still seething about this?! Freaking let it go. Oh wait, that's the problem. You can't let shit go.

    I think it's pretty funny and awesome though that you think I have my own little gang of posters who do my bidding just because other people disagreed with you as well.

    For the record, I wish being called fat is the worst thing anyone has ever done to me. 

    Now give it a fucking rest and quit hijacking this post with your personal vendetta. 
    Like OP said above "kids take things to heart." Funny how you can get so overworked on name calling and insist names aren't the worst thing to call a kid (including using the word gay in 2014) but come on here and advise someone else with an issue along the same lines as mine (name calling) and react the opposite of what you insisted I do. For example, you told OP to have her husband address the issue to his sister if she did tell her kids OP's son is gay and let her know it was inappropriate. Well, why didn't anyone give me that type of advise when neighbor called my kid fat?  It doesn't make sense but I assume you dislike me that much that you can be empathetic towards one poster and not the other. I'm glad you didn't tell OP that it's 2014 and that it's "sad" if he thinks the word gay is the worst thing someone can say to him in this day and age. Then you tell me how you think I'm "unbalanced" (which isn't any better than name calling). I don't think any of that would ring well with anyone.

    OP you have received great advise so far and it seems as if you are handling things well! Good luck.
    Ok, this is the last time I am going to address you directly. I still have hope you will hear me. 

    The last post you wrote (in your previous post) was totally understandable and reasonable. With that, I did not feel you were unbalanced at all. Maybe I should not have said you sounded like you were. I was upset that you would tell me that I would have no sympathy for suicide victims families and would blame them for what happened to their kids. You do not know how severe bullying and suicide have affected me. I don't care to get into that, but I admit it got to me. There were multiple assumptions you made about me I could ignore. That wasn't one of them. So, I guess you got me. You were trying to find what words would make me upset. You hit it.

    I do not have anything personally against you. I think you are a loving mother who wants the best for her son and can't stand to see him hurt. I just read some of your old posts and see you have family issues and other issues that would understandably cause you to be defensive. We all do. Me included. 

    I do have a personal issue with people perpetuating that "gay" is bad or wrong. I completely understand kids name call to tease, fit in, and also to be cruel. My hope is if we all take the negative connotation out of being called "gay", it eventually won't be seen as horrible. Because being gay isn't horrible. 

    The situation you posed was hypothetical. It hasn't happened so I can't speak to it other than to say the more we teach our kids acceptance and love the better. That's not to say it should be ignored if it does rise to the level of bullying. That is a different issue.

    How I see OP's situation as different is the nephew asked if he was gay. That's not necessarily name calling or offensive. Maybe he was repeating what his mom said. Maybe he was genuinely curious. Maybe he was trying to be cruel. Regardless, the kid is 14. His sexual orientation isn't up for debate or gossip. Really no ones is. This again isn't relentless bullying, it was a question posed. An inappropriate question, but just a question none the less. 

    The reason her H should be dealing with this particular issue is because it is his family. I feel each spouse should deal with their family if nonsense is going on. 

    So, @JulienC I officially extend an olive branch to you. I'm sorry you feel I have a personal issue with you. I do not.

    I have found a lot of help on these boards with how to deal with family issues without even having to post a question. I wish you good luck and your children have a great mom who is willing to appear a little unbalanced to protect them. Nothing wrong with that. 

    :)
    Glad you can see my viewpoint and understand my reaction after reviewing my history. Yeah, people did make me aware that I likely overreacted over neighbor's comments and that the guy thinks I'm nuts. Well, he didn't take what I said to him lightly and has now banned his son from speaking or playing with mine since I will no longer give his kid a ride. Yes, the kid told that to my son's face but as others pointed out the kid likely lied to my son before so he may have lied again. Regardless, he has voiced to my son he can't play with him twice now, so he clearly isn't interested in being friends with him. However, I'm so proud of my son. He can take things in stride and has the ability to let things go. I'm not sure why he still tries talking to this kid every time he see's him (I know most kids wouldn't keep trying especially after a disagreement between the parents) but he does. He is starting to learn the lessons about life. I apologized to him though and I told him the next time someone says something rude to him I'll stay out of it so he doesn't loose anymore friends because of my over the top reactions.
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