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Re: Palin thinks she will see Jesus in her lifetime
If you are going to take that statement at word, then you should also take the one where she said as a politician, she uses the constitution as her bible. It's not clear to me that she uses her religion to govern. She believes homosexuality is wrong but she vetoed to give benefits to same sex partners of state employees because she thought denying them the benefits was unconstitutional. I think you also have to look at that.
I'll also say that I question the credibility of the article or blog entry, whatever you're supposed to call it.
Good question.
They all claim to be Christian. What are their views on the end of the world? Will this effect their personal judgement in any situation?
pville, she did veto that bill, but she followed with a request to change the constitution which would make the anti-gay bill legal. So, sure, she follows the law, but she also wants to change the law to fit her beliefs.
Meganne, of course not all Christians are like that. And if Palin had done something, anything, to make me think that she differs with her church on those views, I'd give her the benefit of the doubt. But when her church sponsors a pray away the gay conference, and when she talks about Alaska being a refuge so therefore they need that pipeline, I see nothing that shows she will do anything other than what her church professes.
RIght, but even McCain, isn't it Candidate McCain or Senator McCain? His views are different than in 2000, imo, in some ways good, in some ways, probably not. That was my point--you never know what a person will morph into.
I agree her resume is slight and we don't know much about her. But I just think we are trying to take her religious beliefs and really leap to conclusions. I don't believe that is totally fair.
I understand the frustration. Everyone wants to know more about her.
You could argue the same for Obama. He's the one that's running for president. How do you know what he would do? We don't know how he would run a gov't. He's changed his mind on issues, making him the typical politican (change your mind when it's convenient). That's why this whole Palin argument from Obama supporters is very weak to me. Many of us are scratching our heads thinking "well then why are you voting for Obama?"
I think I'm confused. How is her being a Christian not make it a surprise? I'm Christian, but that doesn't mean I think I'm going to see Jesus in my life time, or that the end of the world is coming in the next 30 years. Did I miss something?
I do think it's a huge problem if she thinks the world is going to end so soon and wants to get in good on judgment day. She won't be thinking of others or the good of the country, or she will, but it will be her idea of the good of the country (like overturning Roe v. Wade) and why would she care about saving the environment if she thinks we won't be here? She won't be concerned about the earth our children will inherit if she doesn't believe they'll actually be inheriting it. We might already be seeing this thought process in her insistence on drilling, drilling, and more drilling.
Ah! And see, I knew someone was going to insert a statement about Obama. Look, we are not talking about Obama or anything he said that would give this non-beliver pause for concern. We are talking about Palin. If you want to start a thread about a questionable belief of Obama's, be my guest. But countering my concern of Palin with your concern of Obama is not logical.
How do you know that she doesn't differ with her church on anything as a governor? Are you an expert on her religion? Religion, demonitions, and faith are much more complicated. I think you are reaching here to try to paint her as some cooky Christian.
It's not the Christian part. It's the end times part and YEC part that make me incredibly doubtful. There is video of her talking about Alaska being a refuge in end times, so that's why they need that pipeline. I really wasn't making that part up. So, yeah, I think there's some proof of her having that belief. She may not have specifically said she'll see Jesus, but that's part of the end time mythology.
Honestly, I think it's embarassing that anyone would admit to being a YEC. We have mountains (literally
) of evidence that the world is far older than 6,000-12,000 years. What does it say of a person's judgment that they maintain that belief despite the evidence? Honestly, that's enough to make me doubt everything about her critical thinking skills.
The others being Christians, well, we do have voting records for them, McCain and Obama have answered science debate 2008, and none of them have come out talking crazy about dinos and people or about how the earth is going to end in our lifetime.
But those are Christian parts. People can still accept science and accept Christianity and I know you probably disagree with that. Not every demonition believes the same but it is a common theme in Christianity.
My priest and my past priests (including in college theology) have all said that as Christians we should not prepare for the end. We should live life to the fullest and not worry about it. Kind of like, when it happens it happens. Now this is Catholicism so it may be different than what she believes, I don't know.
There are definitely denominations that actively "prepare for the end." I know that Mormons do for sure and I'm pretty sure Pentecostals do as well.
Definitely. An ex-boyfriend of mine went to a Pentecostal church, and the pastor (who somehow randomly decided to call himself a Bishop instead of a pastor... not sure how that happened) would frequently mention how Jesus is going to come again soon and he knew he would just pluck him from the earth and let the rest of life would go on as normal... so he said that if anyone shows up to church and he's gone, they weren't living like they were supposed to be living.
pville, I don't know if I'm not being clear or if you're purposefully misunderstanding me. I KNOW that not all Christians are like that. I am speaking specifically to Palin and her church. Her denomination has certain beliefs, and Palin has openly agreed with some of those. Where she hasn't said anything, she also hasn't openly contradicted them.
She is on the record as believing we live in end times, YEC, and her church, in addition to those beliefs, is on the record as being anti-gay.
And, yes, I do think that religion doesn't have to contradict most science. You can believe the evidence supporting evolution religious and still call yourself a Christian. It is my experience with mainstream protestant churches (and family members) that makes me so angry about the Palin types and the right wing Christionists like Dobson and Perkins because I think they do most Christians a disservice.
I really don't care what someone from the "Progressive Alaska blog" thinks or says of her. That is not a legitimate source and sounds more like gossip than legitimate reporting. Someone from the Super Conservatives Unite blog told me that Obama murdered his gay choir director. Debate away!
Also, her personal religious beliefs are completely irrelevant to this campaign.
After thinking about this further, I would add that even if she did say this, she said nothing contrary to Christian belief. As Christians we are to be ready for Christ's unexpected return.....and that most certainly can be during our lifetime.