WHY I AM AGAINST HCR - LONG LONG LONG

krittykrat · March 2010

aprilbridezilla19:
krittykrat:
1. The bill is unconstitutional. In the entire history of this nation, no one was ever required to purchase anything PERIOD. This bill has provisions where every single American citizen has to purchase health insurance or be fined.
There's nothing in the constitution about this. This is an absolute untruth about this bill. The government requires you to purchase a lot of things like car insurance for one, are you saying that's unconstitutional as well? It's not.

no one is obligated to purchase anything, including car insurance. My husband doesnt have car insurance, he doesnt own a car. Car insurance is a state's thing anyway, and not a federal thing.

kaytie.s · March 2010

I have to thank you ladies for trying to keep this civil. So many people are taking this so personally, and not sticking to the facts.

I have to admit that I, like Michelle, am not as well-informed on this issue as I would like to be, but I know that there is a need for reform. I don't like a lot of what I have read of this bill, either. But what I can't understand is why 32 other industrialized nations make this work, and have for years. Why can't we follow their established patterns?

TheMrsR · March 2010

krittykrat:
aprilbridezilla19:
krittykrat:
1. The bill is unconstitutional. In the entire history of this nation, no one was ever required to purchase anything PERIOD. This bill has provisions where every single American citizen has to purchase health insurance or be fined.
There's nothing in the constitution about this. This is an absolute untruth about this bill. The government requires you to purchase a lot of things like car insurance for one, are you saying that's unconstitutional as well? It's not.
no one is obligated to purchase anything, including car insurance. My husband doesnt have car insurance, he doesnt own a car. Car insurance is a state's thing anyway, and not a federal thing.

Actually, I am required by law to obtain car insurance. In the history of the nation plenty of people have been required, by law, to purchase things. If I don't have car insurance, I get a fine. Same as the health insurance thing, no insurance = fine.

aprilbridezilla19 · March 2010

TheMrsR:
krittykrat:
aprilbridezilla19:
krittykrat:
1. The bill is unconstitutional. In the entire history of this nation, no one was ever required to purchase anything PERIOD. This bill has provisions where every single American citizen has to purchase health insurance or be fined.
There's nothing in the constitution about this. This is an absolute untruth about this bill. The government requires you to purchase a lot of things like car insurance for one, are you saying that's unconstitutional as well? It's not.
no one is obligated to purchase anything, including car insurance. My husband doesnt have car insurance, he doesnt own a car. Car insurance is a state's thing anyway, and not a federal thing.
Actually, I am required by law to obtain car insurance. In the history of the nation plenty of people have been required, by law, to purchase things. If I don't have car insurance, I get a fine. Same as the health insurance thing, no insurance = fine.

even if it was a state thing, if it was unconstitutional then it wouldn't hold up for states to require it. I don't see anything in the constitution about this whatsoever. There is no amendment about "the government shall not require you to purchase healthcare" Nothing at all. And if you read the constitution you'll see that there's nothing in there about this.

Mrs.Bunches · March 2010

I was discussing this post with DH last night. He said the gov't already has access to our bank accounts due to the Patriot Act, making sure no one is funneling money to terrorists. I haven't looked it up, so he could be off on it, but I vaguely remember something from my bank training a couple yrs ago about the gov't knowing what you're doing.

bethierose · March 2010

TheMrsR:
krittykrat:
aprilbridezilla19:
krittykrat:
1. The bill is unconstitutional. In the entire history of this nation, no one was ever required to purchase anything PERIOD. This bill has provisions where every single American citizen has to purchase health insurance or be fined.
There's nothing in the constitution about this. This is an absolute untruth about this bill. The government requires you to purchase a lot of things like car insurance for one, are you saying that's unconstitutional as well? It's not.
no one is obligated to purchase anything, including car insurance. My husband doesnt have car insurance, he doesnt own a car. Car insurance is a state's thing anyway, and not a federal thing.
Actually, I am required by law to obtain car insurance. In the history of the nation plenty of people have been required, by law, to purchase things. If I don't have car insurance, I get a fine. Same as the health insurance thing, no insurance = fine.

carrie, you only get a fine if you own a car and do not carry insurance. but like kristy said, that is a state requirement. each state has its own levels of car insurance required. what other things have people been required to buy? i can't think of any off the top of my head.

TheMrsR · March 2010

bethierose:
TheMrsR:
krittykrat:
aprilbridezilla19:
krittykrat:
1. The bill is unconstitutional. In the entire history of this nation, no one was ever required to purchase anything PERIOD. This bill has provisions where every single American citizen has to purchase health insurance or be fined.
There's nothing in the constitution about this. This is an absolute untruth about this bill. The government requires you to purchase a lot of things like car insurance for one, are you saying that's unconstitutional as well? It's not.
no one is obligated to purchase anything, including car insurance. My husband doesnt have car insurance, he doesnt own a car. Car insurance is a state's thing anyway, and not a federal thing.
Actually, I am required by law to obtain car insurance. In the history of the nation plenty of people have been required, by law, to purchase things. If I don't have car insurance, I get a fine. Same as the health insurance thing, no insurance = fine.
carrie, you only get a fine if you own a car and do not carry insurance. but like kristy said, that is a state requirement. each state has its own levels of car insurance required. what other things have people been required to buy? i can't think of any off the top of my head.

Beth, I totally get that if I didn't have a car I wouldn't be required and that that law is determined by the state.

However, the point I was making was in reference to her statement that "no one was ever required to purchase anything PERIOD." and how this point that she made was incorrect. It might be that way in her state, but in mine, should I choose to drive I am required by law to have car insurance.

bethierose · March 2010

TheMrsR:
bethierose:
TheMrsR:
krittykrat:
aprilbridezilla19:
krittykrat:
1. The bill is unconstitutional. In the entire history of this nation, no one was ever required to purchase anything PERIOD. This bill has provisions where every single American citizen has to purchase health insurance or be fined.
There's nothing in the constitution about this. This is an absolute untruth about this bill. The government requires you to purchase a lot of things like car insurance for one, are you saying that's unconstitutional as well? It's not.
no one is obligated to purchase anything, including car insurance. My husband doesnt have car insurance, he doesnt own a car. Car insurance is a state's thing anyway, and not a federal thing.
Actually, I am required by law to obtain car insurance. In the history of the nation plenty of people have been required, by law, to purchase things. If I don't have car insurance, I get a fine. Same as the health insurance thing, no insurance = fine.
carrie, you only get a fine if you own a car and do not carry insurance. but like kristy said, that is a state requirement. each state has its own levels of car insurance required. what other things have people been required to buy? i can't think of any off the top of my head.
Beth, I totally get that if I didn't have a car I wouldn't be required and that that law is determined by the state.
However, the point I was making was in reference to her statement that "no one was ever required to purchase anything PERIOD." and how this point that she made was incorrect. It might be that way in her state, but in mine, should I choose to drive I am required by law to have car insurance.

i think she meant that no one has ever been required by the federal government to buy anything... that's one of my big issues as well with the HC bill... i'm also for less government involvement in my life. sooo that may be a factor.

here's an article i found that explains what amendment the HC bill is violating.

aprilbridezilla19 · March 2010

While they're citing the 10th amendment that allows states certain powers there is no legal precedent for something like this nor do I believe that it will be crippled in court unless the justices do not like the bill and therefore do not allow it to stand as it is. I do believe that the Patriot Act will help this bill along because of the massive amounts of civil liberties it took away and this is much less harmful to us than that is/was. The Patriot Act reached over state governments. While this type of thing has never happened, and I'm not happy with the current plan, at this point it is what it is. In our state, children and seniors have access to affordable health care, so that if their parents can't afford insurance, at least the children will be covered. I will say that I wish that affordable health insurance was accessible to all, I don't think mandating it is the right way to go but I'm not in charge.

busybodyk · March 2010

Thanks for sharing your opinion.

jebuell · March 2010

andrea42608:
jebuell:
I really should add, for the purpose of disclosure, that I am non-tax payer. At least this past year. You don't pay taxes on disability.
Interesting. Is it SSDI? If so, I guess that makes sense. Never thought about it though!

Actually it's Workers Comp. I will pretty much flat out refuse to go on SSDI. I don't need it, I am fully capable of holding down a job even in my condition. The problem is, I was injured at work and part of the insurance rules is that I cannot work or I lose my coverage. I needed the coverage to get the surgery (though I am now regretting this) so they dictate my life. It SUCKS! But as soon as they say there isn't anything more they can do with me I'm going to get the first job that comes my way. The only reason I would go on SSDI is if I get pregnant while still covered under worker's comp and then, again, I don't have a choice. I'd have to go on it during my pregnancy for whatever stupid reason. I don't understand it, really, I just do as I'm told.

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