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Advice needed on serious issue

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Re: Advice needed on serious issue

  • imagerunawaywifey:

    I am so appalled at your poor decision making skills. I find you a vile human being. I truly hope CPS gets involved and that the baby and SS are taken away. They both need to be placed in homes where they can receive love, discipline and any help they need.

    And though I appreciate everyone's response to protect the baby, you didn't protect that baby by procreating.  Now all you want to do is protect the baby and walk out on the SS without ever doing anything to help him. Sickening!!

     

    You have got to be kidding me.

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  • When I try to explain stuff to DH about SS I come out looking like a *** and DH is so defensive about anything and everything SS does. He will even lie to cover up bad stuff SS does.

    Get out.  now.  And pray your SS doesn't remember  you when he grows into a full-blown sociopath.

     

  • I'm thinking MUD too, but on the off chance it isn't:

    Like everyone else said, get out now.  This will not get better.  Your SS likely would need years of therapy to improve this, if possible.  This sounds like something that would be *very* difficult to change.  I agree with the posters on the other forum, it sounds like Conduct Disorder.  There are certain questions that are asked to try to determine psychopathy/sociopathy and they include asking if the person has harmed small animals, if they've had enuresis or encopresis past age 6 or 7, I believe, and a few others (don't remember off the top of my head).  This is not a safe situation for anyone in that house.

  • imagerunawaywifey:

    I am so appalled at your poor decision making skills. I find you a vile human being. I truly hope CPS gets involved and that the baby and SS are taken away. They both need to be placed in homes where they can receive love, discipline and any help they need.

    And though I appreciate everyone's response to protect the baby, you didn't protect that baby by procreating.  Now all you want to do is protect the baby and walk out on the SS without ever doing anything to help him. Sickening!!

     

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  • imagerunawaywifey:

    I am so appalled at your poor decision making skills. I find you a vile human being. I truly hope CPS gets involved and that the baby and SS are taken away. They both need to be placed in homes where they can receive love, discipline and any help they need.

    And though I appreciate everyone's response to protect the baby, you didn't protect that baby by procreating.  Now all you want to do is protect the baby and walk out on the SS without ever doing anything to help him. Sickening!!

     

    She made a mistake. WTF do you want her to do now that she is about to give birth? Pretend it is not happening? I think you're a little extreme.

    For the OP - I would leave this man ASAP, stay with family or friends, get a good lawyer, and fight for your daughter. I would not stay under any circumstances. I'd also call that family member or friend to have them testify about the dog, butthole thing as proof he is unstable.

    You H is a major issue here, not just the SS. He thinks it is normal or digs his head in the sand. That is not the type of father I want around my kids.

    Get out now.

  • You asked for advice and got a ton of it here.  I think you're looking for something more concrete than just "leave."  I know you love your husband and don't want to leave him and his kid in the lurch because you care for them.  So here's my urgent advice.

    1.  Leave.  I know you don't want to do this because you fear it's so drastic that in one move, you have gambled away your entire future, but you have to.  It's the only way to protect your flesh and blood baby, who's going to be here before you know it.  Do not ever return to that home with your baby or have your baby near your SS until he has received extensive therapy for at least 2 years and shown consistent normalized behavior.

    2.  After you are in a safe, undisclosed location, call Nancy Thomas' Parents' Consultation Hotline, at (970) 984-2222.  She has worked as a therapeutic foster mother for countless children, including the worst of the worst cases, such as children who murdered their family members (and threatened to murder her).  Your SS sounds like he has Reactive Attachment Disorder and cannot form appropriate attachments with any other human beings.  She has worked with similar kids and has developed practices that work with them and restore their ability to relate to others and even to love.

    Once you are out of the house you can listen to "Healing Trust" (http://www.attachment.org/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=attachment&Product_Code=136&Category_Code=parentofchall) to see the type of help your SS will need to heal.  This is not something you can do for him, because it will endanger your child, but knowing what he needs, you can advocate that he gets the right kind of help.

    Get out, then get him help, from a distance.

  • imageLovelyMissNikki:
    imageheartlyric:

    My suggestion, go to woman's shelter because SS had to have learned this from somewhere and it is a 50/50 chance it was your H or his family, so I doubt H isn't as verbally abusive since he also allows this behavior to continue with SS. Get everything of value, including family memories and legal documents and LEAVE NOW. Then chance you address, phone number and any other form of contact he could use to get a hold of you. He can use the courts to contact you if he wants to because SS is a danger to your child. Get a good lawyer like yesterday.

    While I agree totally about doing whatever it takes to get out, the whole, "he had to learn it from somewhere" sh!t is not true. He's showing pretty clear signs of having a severe personality disorder which has to do with how your brain is wired. I agree her H is a sh!tbag for not being alarmed at his son's behavior but it's not fair to say he's just copying his dad or something.

     

    This 100%. I haven't read all the responses yet but Nikki is correct. Your ss sounds like a budding serial killer. No joke. There is a certain profile that goes along with a psychotic killer and it often starts with killing and mutilating small animals, being very clever and manipulative, and pushing the limits of the people around you to see how much you can get away with.

    This kid will hurt your child. He is the kind of kid they make movies about. Get out now.

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  • imagerunawaywifey:

    I am so appalled at your poor decision making skills. I find you a vile human being. I truly hope CPS gets involved and that the baby and SS are taken away. They both need to be placed in homes where they can receive love, discipline and any help they need.

    And though I appreciate everyone's response to protect the baby, you didn't protect that baby by procreating.  Now all you want to do is protect the baby and walk out on the SS without ever doing anything to help him. Sickening!!

    Are you smoking crack???

  • I think you could get a temporary Order of Protection for your daughter against SS.  That would give you 30 days out and away from this mess with your daughter.

    This kid sounds like the stuff serial killers are made of.

    Get out now.

    Mama of 2: one who grew in my womb, both who grow in my heart.
  • I just had to shovel my jaw off the floor after reading this. 

    Your stepson is SERIOUSLY mentally disturbed, and no amount of praying will fix this problem.

    RUN.LIKE.HELL.  

  • Also re: RAD stuff.. this doesn't sound like RAD, not even the severe cases of it... I've read a lot about attachment disorders and this really doesn't fit too well. The fact that it's cold and calculated and planned by the SS kind of flies in the face of RAD-type behavior. It sounds like Antisocial personality if anything, and there's unfortunately not much of a "cure" for that. 

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  • People who call MUD make me want to light myself on fire.  Google brittyeletta.  She's been posting on babycenter about this kid for months.
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    I bet her FUPA's name is Shane, like the gunslinger/drifter of literature.--HappyTummy
  • imageBobLoblaw:
    People who call MUD make me want to light myself on fire.  Google brittyeletta.  She's been posting on babycenter about this kid for months.

    Eh, it does look a little like MUD. She posted this same post 3 days ago and hasn't responded to anything on the other board. Then she comes here and posts the same thing and again no response. I can see why people might think it's MUD. Personally, I sort of hope it is just because it is so horrifying to me. I can't even imagine.

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  • Contact DFS again.  I've never heard of them not following up on any report of abuse (suspect or not).  They might follow up and find there is nothing wrong but they usually follow up when someone reports abuse.  That aside, if this kid is going to school how come he doesn't act out at school?  Shouldn't other people see this besides you?  The animal cruelty can't just happen in your house - I would think that someone else has seen this - a teacher or another kid.

    I would not bring that baby home from the hospital under the same roof as this child.  You mention your mother in your post, I would suggest you go stay with her now and after the baby is born.

  • imageTIJerina060510:
    Please I hope there is someone out there who understands my situation. My SS is so sneaky it scares me. He is very smart and does such calculated things I don't know what to do. He put my cats in the cage with these poisonous frogs (frogs I take care of but never was ask rather we should get them) and told DH they got in by themselves which is impossible. Then he tore up the floor in his room(he has been complaining he wants green carpet for weeks) and put my cat in there and went and got DH and said my cat did it it was tore not scratched like a cat would do. DH wanted to get rid of them we got into a big fight and then the little freakin brat threw them outside. I'm 9 months pregnant and I have been outside searching for my girls for hours and I've cried and cried. He knows I love those them and he hates them for it.

    He constantly is trying to get me and DH to fight...and he is good at it.

    My brother caught him molesting my mom's dog.He was holding the dog down fingering his butt.

    He kills little animals (a hamster for biting him and he also broke a hermit crabs claw off for pinching him) but demands Dh buy him more pets, and he does, then I end up taking care of them. Like 5 frogs 2 hamsters, 3 cats and a lizard. He has killed like 4 lizards a hamster and 3 hermit crabs altogether. He is cruel and even after trying to talk to DH about bringing home pets and after taking a fit he just got a new lizard this week. All I can do is protect the animals and I've been trying to give them away but I know DH will just yell at me and SS will take  fit and he will get what he wants.

    He refuses to use the trash can and instead only puts his trash on the floor and after I took a fit about it he just started shoving it under the couch. Keep in mind I am 9 months pregnant and have severe Edema (swelling of the feet, cankles and legs) to the point my feet bleed. Actually the worst case my ob gyn has ever seen and I'm supposed to stay in bed but instead I'm constantly cleaning up after him. He doesn't put his toys away and when I ask he tells DH to do it and he does it so he won't learn!

    He still can't sleep alone or do anything alone. I swear he has never played by himself for as long as we have been living together. He has to be the constant center of attention .

    He is extremely jealous and gets angry over DH or I giving other children attention (like playing with them). He put his cousin in the hospital. He shoved a little girl down the stairs. My friends won't come over because he does mean sneaky stuff to their children. My neices are not even alod to stay with me. I understand because I don't want my LO around him and I've put up nanny cams and alarms on the nursery door.

    Speaking of the nursery he put a knife under the sheet in babies room, knocked down her clothes racks in the closet and told me once that she could suck his weiner like a baby bottle. He also said he would smack her if she touched his toys or slobbered on them.

    He has a wild imagination and is always saying weird stuff about shooting animals/people cutting them up watching their brains/guts splatter and laughs and thinks its funny. Really disturbing stuff. Like this kid is the one you are afraid to send your kid to school because of.

    He pisses wherever and actually told my mom that it gives something for MIL or I dto do with our time (cleaning it up)

    Speaking of MIL, she and DH were still wiping his butt when DH and I got married and moved into together (this past summer). He would scream and demand they come wipe his but. I made DH stop, I told him thats not normal to wipe a 7 year olds but everytime he poops.

    He plays all innocent and DH works sometimes 70 hours a week in the coal mines and is hardly around and then feels guilt for not being here and just lets SS get away with everything and doesn't want to see how serious this all is.

    I've called CPS because I suspect abuse (because of the sexual references he made) and because I honestly don';t know what to do. They won't help I call and call there are too many kids that are obviously abused to investigate a "maybe" case.I I've started seeing a therapist and talked to lawyers. If I leave there is a high chance that DH will get LO on the weekends and I will not be there to protect her from SS.

    My therapist put it point blank I can stay and protect my baby girl and sacrifice my happiness or I can leave and take the cahnce that he molest her or worse.

    He is already showing he is going to be extremely jealous of the baby(no matter how much I include him and how much I buy him when buying baby gear and he got presents for the baby shower)

    He yelled at DH today for kissing my belly and making smoochie noises and said "You are not aloud to play with the baby thats how we play!" DH and I do tickle attack when he gets mad and make smoochie sounds at him. I know some jealousy is normal but I am honestly afraid becaus he has hurt other children.

    I can't get him therapy because we have 50/50 with his worthless mother who only really takes him a few days a month in between her drug binges but MIL takes him a few days a week and before me had pretty much raised him. Around her the dad is damn lucky to get 50/50 and we have no way to prove she is unfit. She refuses to sign a consent form for me to take him to therapy.

    I don't know what to do. The list of stuff this kid has done goes on and on. I knew SS had some issues when I married DH but I thought I was sent to them by God to help them. I've always had a savior complex when it comes to kids, kitties and broken people. I remember sitting in my old bedroom crying and my mom coming in and rubbing my back and telling me she was sorry and that I can't save them all. I know I have made a difference in his life I introduced him to God he had no idea about any of that stuff, no one ever took the time to tell him. At the same time the progress I've made with him is outdone by the disturbing red flags I keep seeing.

    I don't have any idea if he has been sexually abused or if thats because before we married DH let him watch R rated moves (and his mom still does). My therapist said he might know about that sexual stuff because of movies like The Zohan, Scary Movie and Road Trip. I think when it comes down to it he is a spoiled little brat, DH and MIL feel such guilt over his bio-mom they let him do whatever he wants whenever he wants. He gets everything he wants (playstation2 and 3, x-box, Wii). He has no bedtime. He has no discipline.

    I am due to be induced and he decided that he was coming to the hospital I said NO he can't be in the room he took a fit (the labor my take 10 hours and this kid takes fits over 30 minute trips taking to long plus he will get on my nerves when I am in labor). This got DH and I in a fight. Now DH is letting him take 3 days off school after the baby is born and I don't think I can take it. He is driving me crazy. He doesn't listen he has no respect for anyone and my in laws and DH are ignorant and backwards and don't want to deal with these issues or he out smarts them. I'm not being mean but it's very true. They just are not very intelligent people and know absolutely nothing about child psychology. DH is very much a helicoptor parent and SS says jump and DH says how high. It's crazy it really is.

    I still love DH but we've had a lot of problems, I got pregnant within a month after we got married. To be honest if I wasn't pregnant I would have left. I would leave if I knew DH would not leave my daughter alone with SS. I think it might be my maternal instinct kicking in I have a really bad feeling about SS, I think if he is left alone for two minutes with LO he will hurt her. I have to be able to prove in court before I leave.

    When I try to explain stuff to DH about SS I come out looking like a *** and DH is so defensive about anything and everything SS does. He will even lie to cover up bad stuff SS does.

    Does anyone out there have any advice? I am due yesterday, I've been having cintractions for days, I'm cranky and miserable and I just found out after this baby comes ripping and tareing out my hooha that I am goning to be stuck with SS and the huge mess that comes with him. If this was my child I would ask my mom to babysit because keeping up with him and the mess is so hard on me right now but because I am a  step-mom I can't do that without causing serious strain on whats left of my relationship with DH. I'm new at this whole step-parenting thing and I could use advice as much as SS needs therapy. I just don't know what to do.

    I just went looking for my cats again and I can't find them. I never let them alone with him I always keep them with me I had just ran to the store and I am afraid he hurt them before he put them out the window and they are gone forever. I think they ran to the woods afraid. I only half heartedly tried to find the homes because I thought I could protect them. If they are out there hurt its all my fault

     

    MUD.  Child Service's is required to at least do a precursory visit to investigate any claims of abuse.  

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  • imagecmeinla:
    imageTIJerina060510:
    I've called CPS because I suspect abuse (because of the sexual references he made) and because I honestly don';t know what to do. They won't help I call and call there are too many kids that are obviously abused to investigate a "maybe" case.I I've started seeing a therapist and talked to lawyers. If I leave there is a high chance that DH will get LO on the weekends and I will not be there to protect her from SS.

    My therapist put it point blank I can stay and protect my baby girl and sacrifice my happiness or I can leave and take the cahnce that he molest her or worse.

    MUD.  Child Service's is required to at least do a precursory visit to investigate any claims of abuse.  

    Things like that vary a lot from state to state. Unless you live in the same state as OP, that alone isn't proof that it's MUD.

    But I hope it is MUD because OMG. 

  • all I can think of is SERIAL KILLER!!!

    seriously most serial killers killed animals, harmed them when younger! Look up jeffery Dahmer! for real this kid is NUTS! Protect YOUR NEW CHILD AND GET THE F OUT! for real. Your ss is horrible and needs real help! NOW . needs serious help and I would NOT be staying. Please leave! please

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  • If this isn't MUD, then I would call Children's Services again...not to talk about worried abuse but to talk to them about the actions that your SS is doing - killing animals and molesting them will be taken seriously. As a therapist, he sounds like a VERY disturbed child with SERIOUS issues and any normal social services group would take what you posted here seriously.
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  • Get out of the house. Now. Do not ever go back. That child is a future serial killer and the more distance you can put between you and him the better.
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  • imageBobLoblaw:
    People who call MUD make me want to light myself on fire.  Google brittyeletta.  She's been posting on babycenter about this kid for months.

    I just tried to and her account is closed

    yet another reason i think MUD

    I also tried to check her posting history here, and this was the only post that showed up since 2009.  So either she hasn't posted here in the last 2 years, or she's deleted every previous post.  If your SS is that jacked up, I would keep all my posts and check them to see if anything new has been posted on the off chance it might help.

    my bad 2010*

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  • Step 1 - LEAVE.  Go to your parents, go to a friends, or go to a women's shelter.  Never return to the home with your baby.  Consider never, ever returning. 

    Step 2 - Call a lawyer.  Make sure you and the baby are legally protected. You need full custody of the baby.  You need a restraining order against SS. 

    Step 3 - Call CPS.  Your SS needs help.  Do not give up until CPS takes action. 

     

    As a survivor of sexual abuse and assault, please do these things for the sake of your baby.  Protect your baby.   Get your SS help to prevent other children and pets from becoming victims. 
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  • I don't believe a word of this is true.
  • Your story sounds like a Rob Zombie movie. You should get out while you can. I'm not sure any amount of counseling will help your SS. I think he's going to need pretty strong medication if he's ever going to have any semblance of a normal person.
  • imagecmeinla:

    imageBobLoblaw:
    People who call MUD make me want to light myself on fire.  Google brittyeletta.  She's been posting on babycenter about this kid for months.

    I just tried to and her account is closed

    yet another reason i think MUD

    I also tried to check her posting history here, and this was the only post that showed up since 2009.  So either she hasn't posted here in the last 2 years, or she's deleted every previous post.  If your SS is that jacked up, I would keep all my posts and check them to see if anything new has been posted on the off chance it might help.

    You can still read her posts even though her account's closed. Maybe she's in labor. Or maybe she's ashamed because some asssholes in this thread basically told her it's her own fault.

    Good grief. You don't get points for calling MUD. 

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  • Indifferent There's none of this that is going to get better once you're married.  You have to find a way to leave.  Think of what kind of father this person would be.  YIKES!
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  • imageLovelyMissNikki:

    Also re: RAD stuff.. this doesn't sound like RAD, not even the severe cases of it... I've read a lot about attachment disorders and this really doesn't fit too well. The fact that it's cold and calculated and planned by the SS kind of flies in the face of RAD-type behavior. It sounds like Antisocial personality if anything, and there's unfortunately not much of a "cure" for that. 

    Unfortunately I agree. I spent 4 years working in clinical therapy with severe RAD kids and many of them had borderline antisocial tendencies. They acted like this, and one child actually succeeded in permanently brain damaging his little brother.

    OP, Get out before he injures your baby and CPS takes the baby away from you for putting it in that situation. Get your SS in treatment, like a good residential treatment center where he will have constant structure without lenient parents interfering. Then get yourself into therapy since you were willing to knowingly put yourself, your pets, and your unborn child into this situation to try and get off on "saving" someone. 

  • imageJillShari:

    #1: YOu can't save someone who doesn't want to be saved.

    #2: If your SS does this to your cats, why would you think your new baby would be any different???

    #3: If you'd run for your safety if you weren't pregnant, why aren't you running from him to protect this poor innocent baby?

    #4: I don't think you can change the situation, I think you need to think about why you got involved in the first place and GET OUT NOW!  before he does something to hurt that new baby of yours if you can't protect yourself at least protect your baby.

     

    THIS. And he's a future serial killer. Keep your baby FAR FAR AWAY!

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  • imageheartlyric:

    imageTIJerina060510:

    My therapist put it point blank I can stay and protect my baby girl and sacrifice my happiness or I can leave and take the cahnce that he molest her or worse.


    My suggestion, go to woman's shelter because SS had to have learned this from somewhere and it is a 50/50 chance it was your H or his family, so I doubt H isn't as verbally abusive since he also allows this behavior to continue with SS. Get everything of value, including family memories and legal documents and LEAVE NOW. Then chance you address, phone number and any other form of contact he could use to get a hold of you. He can use the courts to contact you if he wants to because SS is a danger to your child. Get a good lawyer like yesterday.


    Not really a learned behavior. Your SS sounds like a sociopath. Believe me, it's never to early to see signs. Take yourself and your animals and get out of there. He has had no problem harming animals. It will only get worse. He knows how to play his dad against you and will keep doing it.

  • GTFO.
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