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Re: I think maybe H isn't ready for kids
I'm gonna throw in my 2 cents - better late than never I guess
I think this is always a topic that just needs to be 'agreed to disagree'
When I didn't have kids, I prayed to not have kids sitting by me on an int'l flight. Now that I'm a parent, I work hard to keep my child busy and quiet, and will continue to do that as long as they fly with me. No matter where you are there will be bad parents and therefore badly behaved kids - flights are no exception. If you abosolutely don't want that - they fly Malaysia Air. If not - you just have to accept that business or first or economy class - there will be kids. And like Dorothy said - most of the time parents work their hardest to keep them quiet.
http://todaytravel.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/10/11120934-malaysia-airlines-offers-child-free-zone-on-new-airbus-a380
@travelling turtle- and didn't I also say that until alternatives are available eveyone has to suck it up or not travel? Which posters seemed to ignore completely and just attack a differing opinion!
And I wasn't complaining about the 50% someone asked a question! Big difference there in all fairness!
Amen. And for me, this is it in a nutshell. There are LOTS of disturbances on a flight. We're all crammed in like sardines and it's not a nice experience. Paying for more space might make it slightly more so, but it's generally something you have to do to get from point A to point B - and disruptive/unruly kids, smelly people, loud people, people with personal space issue, people who throw up on you (yes, I've had that happen too), are all annoying, but you get on with it.
In my opinion you were hell bent on proving, via quoting an airline site and mentioning kids getting kicked off planes, that kids being disruptive were against the rules. So it wasn't so much your opinion that was being attacked, it was "the facts" you were presenting.
And I'm not sure who is ignoring the parts you've posted that are your opinion (or attacking you, to be honest). When I've read through the posts there are plenty of people that have mentioned that they prefer it when kids aren't on their flight. Did you miss those posts? And there's been plenty of mention of agreeing to disagree.
If you want to say that someone mentioning that parents bring a bunch of crap to keep their kids from disturbing other passengers (and then getting death stares before the kid has even made a peep) is complaining, then I'm sure you can understand why I would think that saying that 50% of your flights have children disturbances is a complaint. Obviously it doesn't matter because I'm sure (as you've mentioned) you are going to suck it up and fly.
And there is an alternative for those who want to at least avoid the sounds of a child being loud, noise canceling earphones. Sure, it might not work in 100% of the cases, but it should help in a lot of them.
Also, J_Jaye, I wanted to mention that I'm sorry if you feel attacked. I've seen you post on the travel board and was quite a bit excited when you recommended Boracay on one of the posts. (I'm always excited when someone recommends going to the Philippines, since that's where I was born!)
I can't speak for fricb at all, but she is obviously passionate about this topic. I've read a lot of her posts in the past about parenting and her general attitude towards kids and traveling is nothing short of inspiring. I wish more parents would bite the bullet and take their kids abroad. Her kids are super lucky to have a mom like that. Traveling and experiencing other cultures is a huge priority for my own life and what I want my kids to have. Unfortunately, that also means that I have to deal with all the logistics of getting to point a to b. But, I do it. I can't change certain things, but on a message board, I like the discussion.
My $0.02 although late in the game. I just hate having jerks in front or behind or next to me on a plane. And I don't care what age the jerk is, whether it's 2 or 92 years old, a jerk is a jerk. and when someone keeps kicking my seat, I expect them to stop or I'll call the flight attendant and make her make them stop, again, no matter what age the jerk is. A child-jerk gets more chances, because I address the parents as well.
Crying small children, yeah, annoying, but mostly sad for the child, who obviously isn't happy, and more annoying for the parent than for me. Crying/screaming older children (as in school age.) Yeah, they just need a time out and I'm completely fine with flight attendants/other passengers giving those parents death stares unless there's obviously something wrong/an explanation. (I was once on a flight with a kid who had his arm in a cast, he got bloated during the flight (as did I) and that just really really hurt. That's a good reason for an older kid to cry/misbehave.) But just acting like a baby while you're not is not cool with me, no matter whether you were a baby 6 or 60 years ago.
I basically just hate flying anyways, not because of children, but other people in general who bring their germs and their voices and their smells. Unfortunately I still haven't won the lottery, so I'll just deal with it.
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That had to hurt. Poor kid!
It may not be a popular opinion, but I can understand restricting kids from Business Class. I figure there's a reason it's called "Business" and "First" rather than something like "Silver" and "Gold." I consider Business Class to be designed for people who need to hit the ground running as soon as they land. In fact, it used to be* that the only time I'm allowed to fly Business per our company policy is on an overnight flight where I have a meeting/presentation within 4 hours of arrival. Basically, whenever I would need to sleep on a flight.
If you have the money and just want the extra space, that's what I consider First Class for, and I have zero issues with screaming infants and unruly children in First Class. Yes, I know First Class is a gazillian times more expensive than Business, but them's the breaks. I think "Business" means "business-friendly," and forget about the restaurant analogy, I doubt any of you would think it was a good idea to bring your young kids into a board room, no matter how well-behaved they are.
PS - No, I don't give parents the evil-eye because they have kids near me. I'm sorry people do, but you can't blanket-judge people who would like kid-free zones on flights anymore than people should judge you for having kids on a plane in the first place. Judge not, lest ye be judged.
(*Now our policy is pretty much, "screw you. I'm sure you can be in the office a few hours after an overnight economy flight")
I have been avoiding this thread, but it just keeps getting bigger so here's my two cents.
ZOMG, kids have to fly too and if I had the money for a business class ticket you can bet your ass I'd be buying one.
Oh, and Publius you're obviously doomed! DTMF ASAP! *eyeroll*
I'd also like to add a side of DITTO to this post.