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XP from ML IVF babies born to an American woman not eligible for US Citizenship

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Re: XP from ML IVF babies born to an American woman not eligible for US Citizenship

  • Did you read the original article, or the link to the US law that I provided, or any of the examples others have given? It's not IVF that's the issue. It's genetics. If the child was conceived from donor gamete/s then one or both parents is not a biological parent.
  • I hate to say this, but I have to wonder if the mother's age played in a role in why she was even asked how she conceived the babies, i.e. 40+ moms *must* have gotten pregnant with donor eggs, duh. If not every mother is asked how she conceived her children when going through this process, then why else would they suspect something enough to ask her how they were conceived, if that story is true?
  • imageKnitty:
    Did you read the original article, or the link to the US law that I provided, or any of the examples others have given? It's not IVF that's the issue. It's genetics. If the child was conceived from donor gamete/s then one or both parents is not a biological parent.

    Yes, I read it all, and I understand that. My point is that if your two choices are adoption or biological and your children were born from an egg/sperm donor then what would you do? Neither of those choices is applicable. 

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  • cadencaden member
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    imageSibil:
    imagecaden:
    imageSibil:
    Genetics don't matter. See: adoption. I doubt women who use donor eggs or sperm in the states have trouble establishing parentage.
    But if they're born in the states they're automatically US citizens, even if both parents for sure aren't.
    I get that, but the non bio parents are still easily listed on the birth certificate. If delivered in a us hospital, unless it's clearly surrogacy, the mom who pushed a kid out her vag is the mom, no question of where the egg came from.
    Right but that's because they don't need to care where the egg/sperm came from, or who gave birth to the baby, if the baby is born here. If our citizenship laws were not such that birth on US soil meant automatic citizenship, then they would care about donor products used here. (not saying they should)
  • I'm struggling to figure out how to say what I want.  I think I'm using "child born in America" not as a citizenship argument so much as "everyone knows you are my child regardless of gamete origin" argument.  If you're giving birth in America, and you used donor eggs, would the hospital treat you as less a mom than the woman next door?  No, you're a mom, end of story, and children of an American mom should be American citizens.

    If an adopted child can be an American citizen, and biological children of overseas parents can be American, then why is this one tiny niche carved out as unacceptable?  It would be one thing if you had to adopt your non-bio gestated children, but that's not an option.  

    Genetics don't determine your birth certificate, and mine attests to that.  My mom certainly didn't birth me, but her name is there for mother, as is her age at my birth.  Why should that be denied to someone who actually carried and birthed the child and is raising them as her own?

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  • cadencaden member
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    Oh I agree with you. That birth mom is clearly the mom. I think I fall on the side of "it's obvious this is her kid she's parenting so who cares about genetics".

  • imageKnitty:
    Did you read the original article, or the link to the US law that I provided, or any of the examples others have given? It's not IVF that's the issue. It's genetics. If the child was conceived from donor gamete/s then one or both parents is not a biological parent.
    How would the government ever know this though? I'm assuming they don't DNA test people applying for citizenship. Does the Israeli birth certificate specify that the child isn't biologically related to the woman who gave birth to him/her?
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  • I know this is exactly the kind of mental gymnastic exercise we all love around here, but as far as I'm concerned, whatever comes out of your vag is yours.
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