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Ohhh SBP....
I believe this post has your name written all over it.
http://community.thebump.com/cs/ks/forums/5/65290812/ShowThread.aspx#65290812
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Re: Ohhh SBP....
post it! I don't think I've read it!
Unless it's mean to SBP in some way. Then don't post it.
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Here's where what you believe meets what actually is. The Constitution recognizes three basic rights: life, liberty, and property. In order to avail yourself of any of these rights, you must be a person. "Person" is not used in it colloquial sense, but in a legal sense. So the issue of whether a fetus is a "life" is irrelevant. The real issue is whether it is a person. If it is a person, then it has a right to life. If it is not a person, it has no constitutional rights at all. The woman is a person. There is no issue with that. It is not a matter of debate. So she has certain liberty interests that are constitutionally protected. One of those is privacy: the right to be left alone. The issues of abortion, pregnancy, and family are private matters which the woman is entitled to control and safeguard against government interference. So what you have right now is a situation where a non-person would have greater rights than a person. At a moral level, this may not bother you. You may be thinking, great, all we have to do is assign fetuses "personhood" status and then they have a right to life and we're good.
Only we're not good. There are major major problems with defining a fetus as a person, specifically because it would entitle a fetus to Constitutional rights. Some of those problems include the government suddenly having the ability to control everything about a pregnant woman's life from her diet to her workout schedule specifically because the fetus now has liberty and life rights. The slippery slope there is too great. Every study that came out saying that mothers who watched TV while pregnant had a higher incidence of miscarriage would potentially result in government intervention in the TV-watching habits of pregnant women - you know, because they have to protect the person that is the fetus.
This is why, regardless of whether you find abortion morally or religiously offensive, you cannot legislate on it. This is where we get back to epphd's initial statement: you don't like abortion, don't have one. Because the minute the government steps in and starts legislating on the thing, the personhood status of women who are already here, already independent human entities, has to be eroded. You cannot have both women and fetuses be considered persons. It is a legal impossibility.
So if the "right to life" movement wants to end abortion, they're going to have to focus on alternative ways, which, incidentally, makes more sense given that prohibitions on abortion are notoriously ineffective in reducing the incidence of terminated pregnancy.
That's it, that's the abortion issue in a nutshell. All this other crap about people accepting responsibility for their actions, taking advantage of the abortion "faucet", respecting life, or whatever your emotional argument is, that's all completely irrelevant. It gets you nowhere. Unless your purpose is to blame women for pregnancy in an effort to imply they are not really entitled to personhood status.
DYING at the hippo.
And at Reagan being beloved by both parties.
Thank god I was on mute when I saw this!
Hippocritical. lol
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Are you on that martyr juice again?
REHAB!
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Hmm, maybe I need to rethink my gtg joining this weekend. I am not a Republican, but have voted for them in the past. I am also a Catholic. Is that a double-whammy?
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Oh please.
I enjoy self loathing what with being a black republican woman and all.
Although, I do spend an awful lot of time barefoot in my kitchen.
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Dude, you better come to the gtg...I will need help carrying my cross on into the restaurant.
If Zimmerman was running for the President of the United States, or a Congressman, or a Senator, or in any way connected with our government you might have a point.
/dead.
I have to take a call now, but I'll be back. (From Paris...and NOT Paris, TX! I'm fancy.)
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Well, to be fair, neither is Santorum anymore.
Given that the linked thread is an Unpopular Opinion thread...
No, I don't think some of the things said there would be posted on this board by those posters. Sorry, Heather, but I don't see you coming in here and saying, "Republicans are all racist because they vote for people who are racist because most elected Republican officials are racist." Really, you'd have to have a brass set to do that. Granted, offending Bumpies is something else entirely!
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LMAO. You're right, it's totally different if it's not to our faces.
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Uh....Santorum isn't the only problem. Bachmann just used the term "tar baby" and thinks you can pray the gay away. Mitt Romney is suddenly pro-life and wants to pull federal funding from anything even remotely associated with abortion clinics. Every single abortion-limiting and/or banning issue to come up on ballots is suggested by a Republican. The Republican party is getting further and further right on social issues. I don't think that can be argued by anybody.
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Uh...no kidding. Santorum was brought up in said thread. Hence, the reference.