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Question about today

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  • I think the thing that has me so excited is the hope that our country is moving forward and that the changes that are happening are good for living in a peaceful nation.  

     

     

  • imageeb629:
    imageMrs.McJeep:
    image6ft2bride:
    imageeb629:
    imageMrs.McJeep:

    I'm only going to interject that I don't like that he has been turned in to a celebrity and is looked at that way more so than the leader of our nation.


     

    That's your opinion.... I don't think that's true. I think that, for once, a lot of people are actually excited about a President... that's something that hasn't happened in a very long time!

     

    I totally agree.  I am also so impressed at how humble he is about all of this.  He has such bragging rights and is very focused on the tasks at hand. 

    I didn't say he wasn't humble.  Nor did I say he was acting like a celebrity, I said that the way he is being treated is somewhat of a celebrity status.  And You are right I am entitled to my opinion.  But read it correctly...I never said Jack about him acting like a celebrity.

    Never said that you did. I wasn't being snippy.... I know you're entitled to your opinion, I was simply disagreeing.

    I just get a little annoyed when individuals are put in a certain light when it's not his or her own doing. Because although I do not know Barack personally, I am 99% sure that he would never want his race to be an issue as President; never want to be treated like a celebrity; etc. Regardless of how you feel about Barack as a President, this is a historic occasion. That's all.

    I also never said it wasn't a historic occasion.  And I don't intend to be snippy but I don't appreciate people misinterrupting my words.  Nor did I say anything about how he felt about being a celebrity like....I just said I don't like how he is being treated like one.  Never said anything about he is reacting to it all.  But apparently everyone is reading on the defense and taking it as they want.  You have a right to disagree but everyone should read clearly before responding that's all.

  • I think that anyone who doesn't see why there is a certain hoop-la over this presidency seriously takes their civil liberties for granted.

    And that's all I'm saying on this subject.

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  • You don't see it as a race thing but that's what you keep writing about.  Your not black so you don't understand how they feel.  That's why it's a huge deal (besides the ending of the worst prez in the history of the country).  My UPS driver is a black man and the day after the election he came into my store with tears in his eyes and said, "you can't even imagine what today means to us".  I'm white and I get it, Im kinda surprised at you Nat. for thinking that...I didn't vote for him but I have the feeling that we are ready for change and that this is a very exciting time to be an American (of and color).
  • Oh well... politics are always touchy, and we all have different opinions.

  • imagemrsbam0602:

    I think that anyone who doesn't see why there is a certain hoop-la over this presidency seriously takes their civil liberties for granted.

    And that's all I'm saying on this subject.

    Directed towards me or what!

    I just hope that he is remembered as the president who did something amazing and not as the president who happened to be half black.

    PS.  I don't take my civil liberties for granted either.

  • I think any inarugration is historic but I also think that Americans are so ready for a change that there is a lot of hype for this particular one.  I think that there would be the same amount of hype no matter who took over.  Just because Obama is the first non white male to be president should not warrent the race card, however that is how the country still sees things. Whether or not is is right doesnt matter.  The only way race will be a non issue is for the entire country to make it a non issue ane we are just not there yet.  This is a big step in the right direction though.
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  • McJeep, when I said he was being humble, it wasnt in direct response to your statement.  It was more an added note.  I dont think anyone took your statement out of context, nor did anyone misunderstand you.  This is just an ongoing discussion. 
  • imagelilylow:

    I don't see a black man I just see a man which is why I don't understand the hoop-la centered around his race.

    But that's just it, YOU see him as just a man, but not everyone in this country can say the same. The KKK still exists.  We still have to have laws that specifically address crimes that are enacted because of hatred of other races, genders, sexual orientations, you name it.  The fact that we have the first black president, mixed or otherwise, is just a sign of how far we have come, but the media coverage that's based SOLELY on his race shows how far we still (we, collectively) have to go.  I'm not by any means stating that all of the media are focused on his race, but there are certain outlets that are. For example, here at work, the TV we were all gathered around was set to Fox.  99% of the faces shown in the crowd were black.  There were more than a million people out there, is Fox really trying to convince us that the only people who support Obama are black? Sure seemed that way to me, because that's what they CHOSE to cover.  It doesn't mean that all million plus people are there only because he's black. You have to take everything, media coverage included, with a grain of salt and realize that there are opposing views.

    Personally, I agree with Lily and others who said they see him as a person, not as a race, and I'm excited about the changes he's trying to make.  His speech was very positive, and he truly seems to be a good combination of realist & optimist.  That's why it's historic to me, but you can't just ignore the bigger history of it just because you personally think it's irrelevant. It isn't.

  • imageLiz&Carm:
    You don't see it as a race thing but that's what you keep writing about.  Your not black so you don't understand how they feel.  That's why it's a huge deal (besides the ending of the worst prez in the history of the country).  My UPS driver is a black man and the day after the election he came into my store with tears in his eyes and said, "you can't even imagine what today means to us".  I'm white and I get it, Im kinda surprised at you Nat. for thinking that...I didn't vote for him but I have the feeling that we are ready for change and that this is a very exciting time to be an American (of and color).

    I was always raised to not take race into account.  Swearing in the 44th president is a historic event.  I don't think it is any more historic because of who his parents were.  I honestly never took race into account, and I've never thought of him as the 44th president who is black.  I just look at him as the 44th president who will either help the country out of its funk or not. 

    He is who he is and will not think of him as a black president only as the president of America. 

    I don't think of anyone of you as the white woman on the nest just as intelligent people on the nest who are opinionated friends.  I have never taken race into consideration for anything and I just can't start now.

  • Today is a day about change and hope both politically and personally/socially.  Racism is still pretty strong, especially in some areas of this country.  Do you know how inspiring it probably is for young African-Americans (or any other minority race) to see someone come above and become President of the United States of America?  I've been watching the coverage today and there have been so many people talking about how this shows that this country really is the land of opportunity.
  • So how about this....in 4 years we can all discuss how we feel because only time will tell what any president has in store for us.  Personally, I would like to see how my taxes and my dollar are impacted....that's the bottom line for me.  I certainly cannot speak for anyone else though.  They can put my cat in office for all I care as long as my tax dollars aren't being funneled into war anymore and my taxes stop impeding the cost of living raise I receive.
  • Ok but isnt it wrong to look at someone and ignore their heritage??  I mean someones background helps make them who they are.  To look at him and say I see a  man not a Black man is wrong too.  He is a black man and that has caused him issues in life that he overcame. Your race is part of who you are.  We are all proud of our heritage.  To ignore someones heritage and say you dont see race is wrong too. 

    I dont think I am saying this perfectly.  But hopefully you know what I mean. 

  • I understand that it's historic, because he's half black, but I'm sure alot of past presidents had some black lineage in them somewhere.  I just think that it's more of a circus than an inauguration (and I'm just talking about the theatrics...nothing else implied).  It's almost as if people have already decided that he's going to be a good president. He has a heck of alot of expectations to live up to!

     

  • And one more thing....the media creates a frenzy over anything and everything and we eat it up every time.  Hallie Berry won an oscar or golden globe or some crap and was all over the media for being the first black woman to ever be granted this god given award for acting.  As if I give a crap about what that woman does....I am sure it made the Af. Am. community proud though....but what good came out of it?  your guess is as good as mine unless you know something I don't.
  • A lot of you are bringing up really good points. Echoing closly in this discussion to what I'm thinking.

    However, Anna for the win regarding putting her cat in office.

     

  • I have one black cat and one white and gray tabby cat...so really it is entirely your choice...no racism in my family.  which one should we elect?
  • image6ft2bride:

    Ok but isnt it wrong to look at someone and ignore their heritage??  I mean someones background helps make them who they are.  To look at him and say I see a  man not a Black man is wrong too.  He is a black man and that has caused him issues in life that he overcame. Your race is part of who you are.  We are all proud of our heritage.  To ignore someones heritage and say you dont see race is wrong too. 

    I dont think I am saying this perfectly.  But hopefully you know what I mean. 

    I know what you mean...

    Anytime there is change from the 'typical,' it's a big deal, especially in the 'white boys club' that is US politics. Had things turned out differently and Hillary were elected, her sex would be brought up over and over again. Rhetorically speaking, would one then say, her being a female isn't that big of a deal??!! NO.... A female President will be MAJOR, as will any non-white, male figure. It's just a matter of fact in US politics....

  • Lily-I try to see people just as people, no races, gender, sexual preference but as much as I try I do still put labels on people.  That is my consciencely trying not to as well.  There are people who have been raise to hate certian groups of people just as you and I were raised to see them just as people.

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  • In the end it has nothing to what we each feel individually....yes a lot of us don't look at him as a black man b/c we are better then that and don't judge people by race but overall ALOT of people do.  I agree with what others said in that yes this is an amazing day, b/c even though I never looked at him as a black man alot of people did and yet he is still standing where he is, which years ago would of never been possible or even though about.

    I teared up looking at these young children who are black and the grins on their face b/c to most of them being president could never be a dream for them but b/c it just didn't happen and now it is and that for me is amazing....I can't even imagine what it feels like for them.

    As for those saying he's bi racial....yes he is....but you all have to agree that a bi racial person is always labeled as black.  Nobody will ever consider a bi racial person as a white person if they are labeling them by race and that's just the way it is, which is a shame but it's how it is

    Saying that this is the same as every other president being sworn in is hard to agree with b/c it's not....it's different in so many ways.....but mostly b/c of his race b/c even for those of us that don't look at him that way it's a good feeling to see someone "different" given the chance.

  • imageanneliesek:
    ..but what good came out of it?  your guess is as good as mine unless you know something I don't.

     Well no good came out of it for you and I.  But somewhere in this country is a little black girl who wants to be an actress, and she is looking up to Hally Berry saying, yes I can do that, cause look she did it.

     

    My ENTIRE life I wanted to be a teacher. If I never had a female teacher, and  knew that there was NEVER a female teacher in history, I would think it was IMPOSSIBLE and maybe even give up.  SO when someone is the FIRST to do something, they are showing the world it can be done and now people who strive for that have hope. 

  • terminator turned governor.....hahahaha!

    Sorry politics and media are probably some of the things I loathe most in life along with corporate america.  Okay, I am going to pack my bags now and head for another country.

     

  • imageizzy_n_jersey:

    I understand that it's historic, because he's half black, but I'm sure alot of past presidents had some black lineage in them somewhere. 

     There are so many things wrong with this statement.

  • Being a man/woman, black/white doesn't make a good president.  What you do with your four years is what decideds if you are a good president or not.

    Looking up to people isn't what makes your dreams come true.  It's ambition and the ability to look diversity in the face that makes dreams come true. 

    I never saw a female physics major before, but I still went and beat all the boys at their game.  If it's something you really want out of life, no one should have to do it first so that you know you can do it.

  • image6ft2bride:
    imageizzy_n_jersey:

    I understand that it's historic, because he's half black, but I'm sure alot of past presidents had some black lineage in them somewhere. 

     There are so many things wrong with this statement.

    Please don't try to infer meaning.  What I was trying to say is that in reality we all came from similar roots, whether they are known or not.  We're all more alike than can be seen by the naked eye.  "A man should not be judged by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character."  We do not know who President Barack Obama is and only time will tell.

  • imagelilylow:

    Being a man/woman, black/white doesn't make a good president.  What you do with your four years is what decideds if you are a good president or not.

    Looking up to people isn't what makes your dreams come true.  It's ambition and the ability to look diversity in the face that makes dreams come true. 

    I never saw a female physics major before, but I still went and beat all the boys at their game.  If it's something you really want out of life, no one should have to do it first so that you know you can do it.

    This is a good idea, and in a perfect world it would be like that. I agree that ambition and strength and determination are all part of success.  But all in all, it just doenst work that way.  I am sure there are many people who gave up on a dream becasue they were told it can never be done, because nobody ever did it. The people that overcome all of the odds against them and are the "firsts" become our heros.  Following some of the logic here we shouldnt celebrate Amelia Earhardt, Jackie Robinson and Sandra Day O'Connor. 

  • If people black or white are going to listen to people who say they can't, then they deserve to fail.  Quitting because someone else said it can't be done is failure.
  • I can't stress enough that no matter how wonderful people may feel that he was a minority elected into office that only time will tell how this presidential term will impact us as a nation not just as an individual. 
  • The fact that you make that statement shows how your life has been so different from so many years ago.  It is good that you have had all of the opportunities that you have had and that the world has never sent the message to you that you cannot do something because.....

    I HIGHLY disagree that people deserve to fail because they listened to the messages that the world is giving them.  Nobody deserves to fail at anything.

     

  • image6ft2bride:

    The fact that you make that statement shows how your life has been so different from so many years ago.  It is good that you have had all of the opportunities that you have had and that the world has never sent the message to you that you cannot do something because.....

    I HIGHLY disagree that people deserve to fail because they listened to the messages that the world is giving them.  Nobody deserves to fail at anything.

    Ah yes so much was just handed to me.  Let's see I got a full scholarship to a school for academics because I was just handed A's in highschool.  I was also just handed my degree because I put no work into it at all.  You don't think people didn't tell me it was to hard and I couldn't do it.  Unlike most people I gave them the big ol "screw you", and did it anyway just to prove a point. 

    I am where I am today because I worked hard and continue to work hard.  I don't expect things to be handed to me and do what I need to to succeed.  No matter what people tell me.

    If you are going to listen to every ass that says you can't do it, then yes you deserve to fail.  Giving up when it gets hard is called failure.

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