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WTF- Trump rant

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  • And I am pretty sure Obama doesn't think terrorism is caused by global warming. FFS Cats, where did that come from?
  • smerka said:
    Trump wants to keep all Muslims out - including American citizens who are out of the country on vacation. First of all, that is bigoted, asinine, and unconstitional. Second of all, even if he misspoke, he refuses to back down. Neither are qualities I want in a President. Plus Trump wants to bang his own daughter.
    catsareniice1 I'm afraid you are doing what every Trump supporter is doing- you are twisting his words to fit your ideal.  I don't even understand how you are doing this because Trump is crystal clear when he speaks.  He's doubled down several times now on this position and this isn't just about keeping non-citizens out of the US.  

    When we look at the dark parts of our nation's history we see examples of what Trump is suggesting and we are horrified, and rightly so.  May we not repeat the mistakes of our history.  

    Trump is not the polar opposite of Obama.  Do you feel that Obama has stood for the basic morals and principles of this country?  I don't.  And Trump doesn't either.  Do you feel that Obama is crude and rude in his manner of addressing his adversaries and opponents?  I do and Trump does the same thing X100.  Do you feel that Obama has disrespected our allies?  Yes, and Trump is doing the same.  Trump is also advocating for the peaceful route, btw.  He wants to ban all Muslims, do a little bombing in the middle east (like Obama is doing now), and let Russia handle the rest (like Obama is doing now).  They're plans are almost identical besides the Muslim ban.

  • smerka said:
    And I am pretty sure Obama doesn't think terrorism is caused by global warming. FFS Cats, where did that come from?


    I saw it on the news. It may have been skipped by liberal or mainstream media as they lean left most of the time.

    From Fortune.com.....

    In a CBS This Morning interview, he asserted that global warming will put people in desperate straits. And when “human beings are placed under strain,” he added, “then bad things happen. And if you look at world history, whenever people are desperate… that’s when ideologies arise that are dangerous.”


  • catsareniice1 I know we're all ganging up on you and you didn't even say you were voting for Trump (you said, Rubio?).  I'm sorry about that, but I do hope you'll really listen to Trump's words.  He's very liberal in many of his policies (single payer health care system, anyone?), but then he goes off into wacko land with things like this ban.  He's the definition of a populist.  He says what is politically expedient, which is why his policies are all over the map- he has no idea what it all really means and has no guiding principles. It's also why he has a hard time keeping track of his policies when asked about them- there was no though process that went into them besides what was politically expedient. 

  • smerka said:
    Trump wants to keep all Muslims out - including American citizens who are out of the country on vacation. First of all, that is bigoted, asinine, and unconstitional. Second of all, even if he misspoke, he refuses to back down. Neither are qualities I want in a President. Plus Trump wants to bang his own daughter.
    catsareniice1 I'm afraid you are doing what every Trump supporter is doing- you are twisting his words to fit your ideal.  I don't even understand how you are doing this because Trump is crystal clear when he speaks.  He's doubled down several times now on this position and this isn't just about keeping non-citizens out of the US.  

    When we look at the dark parts of our nation's history we see examples of what Trump is suggesting and we are horrified, and rightly so.  May we not repeat the mistakes of our history.  

    Trump is not the polar opposite of Obama.  Do you feel that Obama has stood for the basic morals and principles of this country?  I don't.  And Trump doesn't either.  Do you feel that Obama is crude and rude in his manner of addressing his adversaries and opponents?  I do and Trump does the same thing X100.  Do you feel that Obama has disrespected our allies?  Yes, and Trump is doing the same.  Trump is also advocating for the peaceful route, btw.  He wants to ban all Muslims, do a little bombing in the middle east (like Obama is doing now), and let Russia handle the rest (like Obama is doing now).  They're plans are almost identical besides the Muslim ban.
    Ok. You have some valid points but I think Trump banning more Muslims (for now) is huge. IMO it is not a bad idea. We are already have many on watch lists now. We don't need more problems as some will not be peaceful, guaranteed.

    I know several friends who had to leave their neighborhoods in London because a bad group of Muslims started taking over some of their areas. They told me it's now very dangerous in some areas.

    Google Muslims in London on youtube to see proof. Trump simply wants to be cautious (for NOW). We can't keep our heads in the gutter or else the same things WILL happen here.
  • I personally don't care for his attitude - he will bash muslims, latinos, whoever else and then end it saying "but I have very close muslim friends and they are great people"….lol
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  • catsareniice1catsareniice1 member
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    catsareniice1 I know we're all ganging up on you and you didn't even say you were voting for Trump (you said, Rubio?).  I'm sorry about that, but I do hope you'll really listen to Trump's words.  He's very liberal in many of his policies (single payer health care system, anyone?), but then he goes off into wacko land with things like this ban.  He's the definition of a populist.  He says what is politically expedient, which is why his policies are all over the map- he has no idea what it all really means and has no guiding principles. It's also why he has a hard time keeping track of his policies when asked about them- there was no though process that went into them besides what was politically expedient. 
    Maybe so about Trump. Hillary tends to say what is popular too, even changes her accent depending on what part of the country she is in. lol I'll have to see and hear more from him. He is not my first choice.
  • vlagrl29 said:
    But back to Trump.  If he gets the nomination, I've voting for Hilary and I can't stand her, but I figure, eh, I liked Bill, so she can't be too far off.

    I had an interesting conversation with my only GOP "insider" connection today.  She says that as of this week, the GOP and other GOP candidates are over "playing nice" with Trump.  They were playing nice because they were scared of him running third party, but they've decided to let him run third party and take their chances.  She says everyone is amping up to take him down and chase him out of the party. 
    Then he would run 3rd party and split the vote right?  I've been saying for 3 years now Hilary will get in and I still believe it, but who knows maybe I'm wrong.

    When's the next debate?
    Exactly.  I think we've just got to take our chances and let him divide the vote and at least save the reputation of the Republican party even if we don't win a general election.  

    On a side note, the few Trump supporters I know are actually Dems who changed parties to vote for Trump.  I do know there is a campaign out there to flip Dems to vote for Trump.  I don't know what the percentages are, but I wonder if a third party run for Trump would damage Clinton as much as the eventual GOP nominee.  It could be a wash then.  I don't know though, just thinking out loud. 
    IDK - there would have to be just as many Dems and R's that love trump and I have a hard time seeing that happen.  who knows though.
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  • vlagrl29 said:
    I personally don't care for his attitude - he will bash muslims, latinos, whoever else and then end it saying "but I have very close muslim friends and they are great people"….lol
    I totally agree!  I hate that so much.  It's disgusting. 

  • smerka said:
    And I am pretty sure Obama doesn't think terrorism is caused by global warming. FFS Cats, where did that come from?


    I saw it on the news. It may have been skipped by liberal or mainstream media as they lean left most of the time.

    From Fortune.com.....

    In a CBS This Morning interview, he asserted that global warming will put people in desperate straits. And when “human beings are placed under strain,” he added, “then bad things happen. And if you look at world history, whenever people are desperate… that’s when ideologies arise that are dangerous.”



    That's a big leap to say he thinks terrorism is caused by global warming.
  • I also want to add this:  We will never win the war on radical Islam if we don't ally with moderate Muslim nations.  Trump is doing everything he can to alienate moderate Muslims around the world.  Hell, he's gotten the entire GOP condemned by the UN.  I'd like a president who is actually taken seriously in the world and can create strong allied relationships.

    Basically, we need the polar opposite of Obama. He's trying the peace route. It's not working. And, it's laughable that he blames terrorism on global warming.

    Although I agree that this is a pretty bold statement for Obama to make, social psychology has found some VERY strong correlations between temperature and violence. The warmer the climate, the more violence there tends to be. This is correlational data so it doesn't prove anything or warrant a broad conclusion like Obama mad, but as a psychological researcher, correlations tend to be correlated with causations. If the earth really is warming, violence may be expected to rise, especially in already warm climates like the Middle East and South America.
  • I also want to add this:  We will never win the war on radical Islam if we don't ally with moderate Muslim nations.  Trump is doing everything he can to alienate moderate Muslims around the world.  Hell, he's gotten the entire GOP condemned by the UN.  I'd like a president who is actually taken seriously in the world and can create strong allied relationships.

    Basically, we need the polar opposite of Obama. He's trying the peace route. It's not working. And, it's laughable that he blames terrorism on global warming.

    Although I agree that this is a pretty bold statement for Obama to make, social psychology has found some VERY strong correlations between temperature and violence. The warmer the climate, the more violence there tends to be. This is correlational data so it doesn't prove anything or warrant a broad conclusion like Obama mad, but as a psychological researcher, correlations tend to be correlated with causations. If the earth really is warming, violence may be expected to rise, especially in already warm climates like the Middle East and South America.
    Yes. It is a fact but he tries to make everything a political issue to fit his agenda instead of tackling issues. I hope whoever our next president is actually leads.
  • Here's my $0.2 on Trump. He's a DNC, liberal plant working to sabotage the RNC.

    However much of a liar and cheat I think he is, I do not think Hillary is any better. I have high distrust for both of them. And, if it came down to Trump versus Hillary, I honestly don't know WHAT I would do.

    I would either not vote (major deal for me) or I think I would vote for Trump, which makes me sick, but I do hold conservative stances so if Trump were on the RNC ticket, I would vote my party line (hoping a good candidate accompanied him as VP).

    I think a thing to remember is that currently the Legislature is Rep-led, so with a Rep POTUS, our party could make some lasting changes. If you're a Republican and you want significant changes regarding legislation, then you need to still vote for the Rep candidate even if that's Trump no matter how revolting he is. These alignments of Legislature and Executive branches don't come often.


  • Here's my $0.2 on Trump. He's a DNC, liberal plant working to sabotage the RNC.

    However much of a liar and cheat I think he is, I do not think Hillary is any better. I have high distrust for both of them. And, if it came down to Trump versus Hillary, I honestly don't know WHAT I would do.

    I would either not vote (major deal for me) or I think I would vote for Trump, which makes me sick, but I do hold conservative stances so if Trump were on the RNC ticket, I would vote my party line (hoping a good candidate accompanied him as VP).

    I think a thing to remember is that currently the Legislature is Rep-led, so with a Rep POTUS, our party could make some lasting changes. If you're a Republican and you want significant changes regarding legislation, then you need to still vote for the Rep candidate even if that's Trump no matter how revolting he is. These alignments of Legislature and Executive branches don't come often.


    I actually think that's a powerful and positive thing when the Legislature and Executive branches are led by different parties.  Yes...a lot less gets done.  That's the bad part.  But I think it better insures that what does get done is more likely to be a beneficial change and palatable to the majority of Americans.

    Quite frankly, I don't care that Trump is supposedly ahead in this poll or that poll.  There's no way he's getting the Republican nomination.  I'm conjecturing, but I think a lot of his supporters are more people who like that he speaks his mind and isn't a "politician", than people who would actually vote for him once the rubber meets the road.

    Not to mention, any tried and true Republican would be foolish to vote for him in the primaries, even if they like him the best.  For exactly because of the types of comments just made in this very post!  In a Trump vs. (Dem. candidate) match-up, Republicans would lose almost all moderate/swing voters AND even lose a good sized portion of their very own folks.  And that's certainly not a secret for any Republican Trump supporter.

    On a different note...and maybe it was just how I was reading things...but some of the posts didn't seem to be drawing the line between immigration/refugee control and discrimination against religion.  To me, it is just fine and dandy for the U.S. to implement vetting processes for immigrants.  To limit or expand immigration in general.  And they, in fact, do that all the time.  It's just not normally news.

    But to close our borders, even briefly, to members of a specific religion is exactly the opposite of what our country stands for.  It's unfathomable and horrifying.  But it's also nothing I'm worried about because it's not like this idea came from any real member of Congress or a gov't. agency.  It's just Trump saying whatever he needs to, to shock and make headlines.   

  • I also want to add this:  We will never win the war on radical Islam if we don't ally with moderate Muslim nations.  Trump is doing everything he can to alienate moderate Muslims around the world.  Hell, he's gotten the entire GOP condemned by the UN.  I'd like a president who is actually taken seriously in the world and can create strong allied relationships.

    Basically, we need the polar opposite of Obama. He's trying the peace route. It's not working. And, it's laughable that he blames terrorism on global warming.

    Although I agree that this is a pretty bold statement for Obama to make, social psychology has found some VERY strong correlations between temperature and violence. The warmer the climate, the more violence there tends to be. This is correlational data so it doesn't prove anything or warrant a broad conclusion like Obama mad, but as a psychological researcher, correlations tend to be correlated with causations. If the earth really is warming, violence may be expected to rise, especially in already warm climates like the Middle East and South America.

    If sea levels were to rise as is predicted, a lot of the earth's population would lose their homes. That's enough to make someone desparate. I mean the entire country of the Maldives would be underwater.
  • Here's my $0.2 on Trump. He's a DNC, liberal plant working to sabotage the RNC.

    However much of a liar and cheat I think he is, I do not think Hillary is any better. I have high distrust for both of them. And, if it came down to Trump versus Hillary, I honestly don't know WHAT I would do.

    I would either not vote (major deal for me) or I think I would vote for Trump, which makes me sick, but I do hold conservative stances so if Trump were on the RNC ticket, I would vote my party line (hoping a good candidate accompanied him as VP).

    I think a thing to remember is that currently the Legislature is Rep-led, so with a Rep POTUS, our party could make some lasting changes. If you're a Republican and you want significant changes regarding legislation, then you need to still vote for the Rep candidate even if that's Trump no matter how revolting he is. These alignments of Legislature and Executive branches don't come often.



    Trump's ego is too big for him to sully his name like this if he is a plant. The DNC wouldn't be able to pay him enough. Plus his business is already started to suffer. A Muslim in the Middle East pulled all of Trump's home furnishing line from his stores and I think that's just the start.

  • smerka said:
    Trump wants to keep all Muslims out - including American citizens who are out of the country on vacation. First of all, that is bigoted, asinine, and unconstitional. Second of all, even if he misspoke, he refuses to back down. Neither are qualities I want in a President. Plus Trump wants to bang his own daughter.
    catsareniice1 I'm afraid you are doing what every Trump supporter is doing- you are twisting his words to fit your ideal.  I don't even understand how you are doing this because Trump is crystal clear when he speaks.  He's doubled down several times now on this position and this isn't just about keeping non-citizens out of the US.  

    When we look at the dark parts of our nation's history we see examples of what Trump is suggesting and we are horrified, and rightly so.  May we not repeat the mistakes of our history.  

    Trump is not the polar opposite of Obama.  Do you feel that Obama has stood for the basic morals and principles of this country?  I don't.  And Trump doesn't either.  Do you feel that Obama is crude and rude in his manner of addressing his adversaries and opponents?  I do and Trump does the same thing X100.  Do you feel that Obama has disrespected our allies?  Yes, and Trump is doing the same.  Trump is also advocating for the peaceful route, btw.  He wants to ban all Muslims, do a little bombing in the middle east (like Obama is doing now), and let Russia handle the rest (like Obama is doing now).  They're plans are almost identical besides the Muslim ban.
    Ok. You have some valid points but I think Trump banning more Muslims (for now) is huge. IMO it is not a bad idea. We are already have many on watch lists now. We don't need more problems as some will not be peaceful, guaranteed.

    I know several friends who had to leave their neighborhoods in London because a bad group of Muslims started taking over some of their areas. They told me it's now very dangerous in some areas.

    Google Muslims in London on youtube to see proof. Trump simply wants to be cautious (for NOW). We can't keep our heads in the gutter or else the same things WILL happen here.

    Really Cats? That's some pretty messed up stuff. You want to ban an ENTIRE religion from entering this country, even our own citizens who just happen to be out of the country? What if Europe decided to ban all Christians from entering Europe because Christian extremists are the only ones shooting up abortion clinics?
  • BlueBirdMBBlueBirdMB member
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    edited December 2015

    Here's my $0.2 on Trump. He's a DNC, liberal plant working to sabotage the RNC.

    However much of a liar and cheat I think he is, I do not think Hillary is any better. I have high distrust for both of them. And, if it came down to Trump versus Hillary, I honestly don't know WHAT I would do.

    I would either not vote (major deal for me) or I think I would vote for Trump, which makes me sick, but I do hold conservative stances so if Trump were on the RNC ticket, I would vote my party line (hoping a good candidate accompanied him as VP).

    I think a thing to remember is that currently the Legislature is Rep-led, so with a Rep POTUS, our party could make some lasting changes. If you're a Republican and you want significant changes regarding legislation, then you need to still vote for the Rep candidate even if that's Trump no matter how revolting he is. These alignments of Legislature and Executive branches don't come often.


    I actually think that's a powerful and positive thing when the Legislature and Executive branches are led by different parties.  Yes...a lot less gets done.  That's the bad part.  But I think it better insures that what does get done is more likely to be a beneficial change and palatable to the majority of Americans.

    Quite frankly, I don't care that Trump is supposedly ahead in this poll or that poll.  There's no way he's getting the Republican nomination.  I'm conjecturing, but I think a lot of his supporters are more people who like that he speaks his mind and isn't a "politician", than people who would actually vote for him once the rubber meets the road.

    Not to mention, any tried and true Republican would be foolish to vote for him in the primaries, even if they like him the best.  For exactly because of the types of comments just made in this very post!  In a Trump vs. (Dem. candidate) match-up, Republicans would lose almost all moderate/swing voters AND even lose a good sized portion of their very own folks.  And that's certainly not a secret for any Republican Trump supporter.

    On a different note...and maybe it was just how I was reading things...but some of the posts didn't seem to be drawing the line between immigration/refugee control and discrimination against religion.  To me, it is just fine and dandy for the U.S. to implement vetting processes for immigrants.  To limit or expand immigration in general.  And they, in fact, do that all the time.  It's just not normally news.

    But to close our borders, even briefly, to members of a specific religion is exactly the opposite of what our country stands for.  It's unfathomable and horrifying.  But it's also nothing I'm worried about because it's not like this idea came from any real member of Congress or a gov't. agency.  It's just Trump saying whatever he needs to, to shock and make headlines.   

    This is exactly what I was trying to say before.  Well stated. 

    I don't know if when push comes to shove, that the 25% or so or Republicans who are most likely going to support Trump will wake up.  It's like, I get it.  They're pissed off.  Now it's time to put on our big boy pants and realize that not only are you supporting a lunatic, you are handing over the election to Hilary, which no Republican wants. 
  • catsareniice1catsareniice1 member
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    edited December 2015
    smerka said:

    smerka said:
    Trump wants to keep all Muslims out - including American citizens who are out of the country on vacation. First of all, that is bigoted, asinine, and unconstitional. Second of all, even if he misspoke, he refuses to back down. Neither are qualities I want in a President. Plus Trump wants to bang his own daughter.
    catsareniice1 I'm afraid you are doing what every Trump supporter is doing- you are twisting his words to fit your ideal.  I don't even understand how you are doing this because Trump is crystal clear when he speaks.  He's doubled down several times now on this position and this isn't just about keeping non-citizens out of the US.  

    When we look at the dark parts of our nation's history we see examples of what Trump is suggesting and we are horrified, and rightly so.  May we not repeat the mistakes of our history.  

    Trump is not the polar opposite of Obama.  Do you feel that Obama has stood for the basic morals and principles of this country?  I don't.  And Trump doesn't either.  Do you feel that Obama is crude and rude in his manner of addressing his adversaries and opponents?  I do and Trump does the same thing X100.  Do you feel that Obama has disrespected our allies?  Yes, and Trump is doing the same.  Trump is also advocating for the peaceful route, btw.  He wants to ban all Muslims, do a little bombing in the middle east (like Obama is doing now), and let Russia handle the rest (like Obama is doing now).  They're plans are almost identical besides the Muslim ban.
    Ok. You have some valid points but I think Trump banning more Muslims (for now) is huge. IMO it is not a bad idea. We are already have many on watch lists now. We don't need more problems as some will not be peaceful, guaranteed.

    I know several friends who had to leave their neighborhoods in London because a bad group of Muslims started taking over some of their areas. They told me it's now very dangerous in some areas.

    Google Muslims in London on youtube to see proof. Trump simply wants to be cautious (for NOW). We can't keep our heads in the gutter or else the same things WILL happen here.

    Really Cats? That's some pretty messed up stuff. You want to ban an ENTIRE religion from entering this country, even our own citizens who just happen to be out of the country? What if Europe decided to ban all Christians from entering Europe because Christian extremists are the only ones shooting up abortion clinics?

    Donald Trump is not anti Muslim. He is anti ISIS. What Trump is trying to say is that Homeland Security, FBI, CIA, can not differentiate which Muslim is radical wanting to kill all infidels and which is a harmless refugee. This is why nothing gets done. We are too busy being politically correct. Who is willing to sacrifice their family's safety for the sake of political correctness?
    Temporarily shutting down immigration from Muslim countries is an Exceptional Safety idea, till we can come up with a proper vetting system that works.... remember..California Muslim Terrorists were vetted. France Raided and Shut down 4 Mosques since the attacks..finding guns, ammunition and bombs. Trump is right.

    Now, no doubt not all Muslims support Jihad, but a lot of them do. Being concerned and putting policies in place to be careful is not racist. It is prudent. Europe is for the most part, outside the Swiss has already lost. In Germany, Italy, France, life is a nightmare for shop Owners, female Doctors, they are raiding Christian Churches, throwing back food because it comes from the Red Cross, trashing hotels, messing on streets. 

    Go to youtube and search Muslims in London. While there are nutty Christians and nuts in every bunch. These radical groups want to kill ALL of us if we don't follow their ideology.

    While Trump is not my number one choice (he's a bit of a blow hard for my taste), I could never in a million years vote for Hillary. She has blood on her hands. I would feel horrible voting for someone like her. She did not secure the server and deleted over 30,000 email some which were not for the eyes of our enemies.
  • I heard Glenn Beck today basically call Trump a fascist.  He said something like "what's happening in the world, like with Trump, is that we're leading towards fascism".  When Glenn Beck calls you a fascist... I mean, seriously wow lol!  He also called Trump a progressive demagogue who isn't a conservative or a liberal, he's just a demagogue and is appealing to a world in discontentment.  I couldn't agree more. 

    catsareniice1  again, Trump isn't just suggesting shutting down immigration from Muslim countries, he is suggesting cutting off anyone, from any corner of the world, who may be Muslim coming here for any reason.  We can make this about geography or about verification processes, but we cannot make it about religion.  You are putting words his his mouth by suggesting limitations to his proposal based on geography or circumstance.  That is not what he has said and he has backed that up several times.  This is not about political correctness, this about abandoning our ideals and morals.  My goodness, even Israel thinks he's insane and they live in the middle of the problem, yet they would never, under any circumstances, say that Muslims weren't allowed in their country because they don't believe it works and because it doesn't make any sense.  

  • I found the video.  Even if you think you hate Glenn Beck and Foxnews, this is a great explanation of the Trump phenomenon and why shouldn't buy his bill of goods: http://video.foxnews.com/v/4656267584001/glenn-beck-seeds-of-discontent-lead-to-fascistic-leaders/?intcmp=hpvid1#sp=show-clips
  • catsareniice1catsareniice1 member
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    edited December 2015

    I heard Glenn Beck today basically call Trump a fascist.  He said something like "what's happening in the world, like with Trump, is that we're leading towards fascism".  When Glenn Beck calls you a fascist... I mean, seriously wow lol!  He also called Trump a progressive demagogue who isn't a conservative or a liberal, he's just a demagogue and is appealing to a world in discontentment.  I couldn't agree more. 

    catsareniice1  again, Trump isn't just suggesting shutting down immigration from Muslim countries, he is suggesting cutting off anyone, from any corner of the world, who may be Muslim coming here for any reason.  We can make this about geography or about verification processes, but we cannot make it about religion.  You are putting words his his mouth by suggesting limitations to his proposal based on geography or circumstance.  That is not what he has said and he has backed that up several times.  This is not about political correctness, this about abandoning our ideals and morals.  My goodness, even Israel thinks he's insane and they live in the middle of the problem, yet they would never, under any circumstances, say that Muslims weren't allowed in their country because they don't believe it works and because it doesn't make any sense.  



    That's Beck's opinion. He is entitled to one. In an interview in the 80's Trump was asked if he would run for president someday. He said he would only do so if this country is in dire need. And, here we are......

    A moderate Muslim still believes in the Quran and follows the teachings of Muhammad. The Quran is by no means moderate! When the Nazis came to power, they drove the agenda for all of Germany and eventually most of Europe. Jihadists will eventually drive the agenda for all Muslims if they are not destroyed (i.e. look at what's happening in many countries already). However, destroying them is not enough. If there is no sedulous effort by Muslims to reform the Quran and some of the Islamic ideologies, western civilization will be at war with them forever. The premise that most Muslims are peaceful is misleading and deceitful. America don't be fooled by CAIR or other so called moderates. They are deceivers and a front for the Muslim brotherhood that support Hezbollah, Hamas and the destruction of Israel. Many Muslims may pose a threat of potential terrorism world wide. Remember, they are Muslims first and foremost! They hold no allegiance to any one nation least of all, America. Many who are not actively engaged in terrorism may be patiently awaiting and secretly praying for Islamic victory. If these extremists were to be victorious, the moderate Muslims' true colors will emerge. Islam is all about deception and fooling the Infidels so they can "spread Islam to all four corners of the World by the sword".

    What religion in modern times has caused the world the kind of trepidation, fear and hassles we are now experiencing on the planet? Can't even get on a flight anymore without going through severe security torture! Why? Because of Islam! Islam is a religion (if you want to call it that) of hate, intolerance, violence and murder, conquest, misogyny and deception. They say it's a religion of peace? Sure it is, if you're a Muslim and obey the teachings of the prophet Muhammad. You must acquiesce to the beliefs, laws and ideology of Muhammad and live by the verses of the Quran. Truth be told, they can't even be peaceful with each other. Don't be fooled by Muslim moderates who will publicly denounce terrorism or condemn the Paris Massacre or the shootings in San Bernardino, California, it's part of the Islamic deception. The bizarre press conference held by CAIR on December 2, 2015 made my blood boil. They really insult American intelligence. The non Muslim clergy in attendance who spoke on behalf of Islam are uninformed and dumber than a bag of rocks. They just don't get it!! Islam wants us dead. We are the Infidels as stated in the Quran-non believers! In Germany, if you spew Nazi propaganda you get arrested and go to jail. The Quran along with Islam should be outlawed in western civilizations if the Mullahs and leadership do not start a diligent reform movement. Muslims, who refuse to reform, refuse to integrate and assimilate and won’t abide by the laws of their host countries, should be sent back to their country of origin or to countries where these beliefs and ideologies are accepted, tolerated and practiced. We need to be very, VERY careful!


    They will only let you live if you convert. Those conquered and not murdered will be enslaved and forced to live under Sharia Law. Let's see what you will do if they pull off multiple synchronized attacks and we have to fight them on our own soil. All you care about is freebies, hedonism and the eradication of the First and Second Amendments. Liberals are about as tolerant as Muslims. If a Liberal disagrees with an opposing view, they want the opposition to lose their jobs, be arrested or label them a racist. They always vilify those who disagree with their opinions, views and beliefs. Screw political correctness. We need to wake up and realize this is about our survival and life and culture as we know it. Make no mistake; if the jihadists are not stopped they may conquer the world. The Quran states that "Islam will be spread throughout the four corners of the world by the sword". We better take that literally. Freedom and Islam are at polar opposites. Islam is not freedom. In America we have guns.

    I don't see this as abandoning our ideals/morals at all. To me this is a national security issue. If you haven't already please check out the videos of Muslims in London. I know people from GB. Many are scared and had to flee areas of London. If we are not careful, we will be in the same situation.

  • Great friendly debate, by the way! :)
  • It sounds like you 100% agree with Trump.

    All religions are violent.  The Bible holds just as many examples of violence as the Quran.  The difference is that most Christians in modern times do not interpret the Bible in a violent manner anymore, although countless have been murder in the name of the Bible throughout history.  Any religion can be made into a religion of violence with the correct interpretation.  Religion has been an excuse for most wars throughout history, but at the end of the day, pretty much every war actually comes down to money and power with religion simply being the rallying cry. 

    No one is arguing that extremists want to kill us all without discretion, but you are ignoring our basic principles in the same way that many liberals do.  We have a federal government that is limited in power.  I'm terrified that we are already allowing our federal government to have too much unchecked power, specifically the executive branch.  I need a president who won't act like a king and will respect his limited authority.  If we allow a theoretical president Trump to ban all Muslims from this country, then we are opening the floodgates to allow unchecked power to ban anyone he considers "dangerous".  

    Nazi considered Jews to be dangerous.  They were a "national security issue".  Their religion meant they weren't German.  Does the rhetoric sound familiar?  The government made the people terrified of Jews- that was the only way they could accomplish their goals.

    We considered Japanese-Americans to be "dangerous" so we put them in camps.  We now see how foolish and wrong that was.  I've never thought that I would live through something like that again.  We are suppose to be better than that.  

    As a Jewish person, I'm terrified of giving my government the authority to ban one group because historically I'm the group that gets banned.  If we walk down this road, there may be no coming back.  Our Founders understood the dangers of giving the government too much power.  

    Again, I'm fine with a temporary ban on refugees coming from a specific area until we can find a better verification process, but that goes for anyone, regardless of religion (also, if we decide to ban Muslims, what stops a person from simply lying about their religion just like they could lie about the other elements of their past?).

    Overall, there needs to be balance.  Just because we've be living in a world over wrought with political correctness where we can't even call an act of terrorism, "terrorism", and we can't use the words "Muslim extremism", even to describe people who are proud of the fact they are Muslim.  We've been living in a world where we can't call something what the other side calls it themselves.  But that doesn't mean we immediately jump to the other extreme.  Extremes on both sides are bad and lead to destruction and chaos.  I'd caution you to take a step back and think about the lessons of history and try to find balance. 
  • What @Bluebird is saying is my feelings exactly. The founding fathers of our nation's whole idea for the government was to create checks for each branch of government. Each branch has a different purpose: the legislative to make laws, the executive branch to carry out the laws, and the judicial branch to interpret the laws. Today, all 3 branches just make laws. I work at a law school and see how easy it is even for the judicial branch to twist written law for their own political agendas.

    Obama has been using his executive authority to make laws, and everything about Donald Trump's campaign suggests he will do the same. He will not listen to Congress, nor will he listen to his own party unless they are agreeing with his agenda. We need a President who will do the job the Constitution lays out for him-to execute the law.

    Also, @Bluebird-it seems your GOP insider was right. Reports in the Washington Post this morning suggest the party is trying to find ways to oust him. Trump is threatening to leave (which I don't think he will) and now Carson is too (although he's pretty much out. His followers have moved onto Cruz). Trump has ruined this whole thing. He's destroying the party from the inside, and I think that unless we get lucky and get Rubio in the general election, Hilary is going to be our next President hands down.

  • nkjacobsma my understanding of the Washington Post article was that the meeting was more about discussing the possibly of a contended convention, which hasn't happened since 1976.  I'm assuming it could be contended because delegates are considering changing their vote if their state goes Trump.  In most states, delegates do have the right to do this.  We need to remember that primaries are a modern invention- conventions used to always decide the nominee.  Delegates changing votes- that's one way to get rid of Trump.  I hope they don't wait that long to do something though.  They need to start releasing negative ads and the other candidates need to start attacking Trump and showing the people who he really is. 

    I say let Trump and Carson go.  Trump will get votes enough to damage in a general election, but people will forget Carson exists if he leaves.
  • I found the video.  Even if you think you hate Glenn Beck and Foxnews, this is a great explanation of the Trump phenomenon and why shouldn't buy his bill of goods: http://video.foxnews.com/v/4656267584001/glenn-beck-seeds-of-discontent-lead-to-fascistic-leaders/?intcmp=hpvid1#sp=show-clips
    fascinating - I haven't listened to Beck in awhile.  He points out another reason I don't like Trump - the fact that Trump hasn't mentioned any plans on how to solve these issues he says we have other than building up a wall to keep out the illegals from mexico.
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  • What @Bluebird is saying is my feelings exactly. The founding fathers of our nation's whole idea for the government was to create checks for each branch of government. Each branch has a different purpose: the legislative to make laws, the executive branch to carry out the laws, and the judicial branch to interpret the laws. Today, all 3 branches just make laws. I work at a law school and see how easy it is even for the judicial branch to twist written law for their own political agendas.

    Obama has been using his executive authority to make laws, and everything about Donald Trump's campaign suggests he will do the same. He will not listen to Congress, nor will he listen to his own party unless they are agreeing with his agenda. We need a President who will do the job the Constitution lays out for him-to execute the law.

    Also, @Bluebird-it seems your GOP insider was right. Reports in the Washington Post this morning suggest the party is trying to find ways to oust him. Trump is threatening to leave (which I don't think he will) and now Carson is too (although he's pretty much out. His followers have moved onto Cruz). Trump has ruined this whole thing. He's destroying the party from the inside, and I think that unless we get lucky and get Rubio in the general election, Hilary is going to be our next President hands down.

    Interesting.  I thought Rubio was in 2nd last week.  These polls are so confusing at times. Personally I think the only one I would ever vote for in the GOP party is Rubio.  Cruz is too out there for me.
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  • vlagrl29 said:

    What @Bluebird is saying is my feelings exactly. The founding fathers of our nation's whole idea for the government was to create checks for each branch of government. Each branch has a different purpose: the legislative to make laws, the executive branch to carry out the laws, and the judicial branch to interpret the laws. Today, all 3 branches just make laws. I work at a law school and see how easy it is even for the judicial branch to twist written law for their own political agendas.

    Obama has been using his executive authority to make laws, and everything about Donald Trump's campaign suggests he will do the same. He will not listen to Congress, nor will he listen to his own party unless they are agreeing with his agenda. We need a President who will do the job the Constitution lays out for him-to execute the law.

    Also, @Bluebird-it seems your GOP insider was right. Reports in the Washington Post this morning suggest the party is trying to find ways to oust him. Trump is threatening to leave (which I don't think he will) and now Carson is too (although he's pretty much out. His followers have moved onto Cruz). Trump has ruined this whole thing. He's destroying the party from the inside, and I think that unless we get lucky and get Rubio in the general election, Hilary is going to be our next President hands down.

    Interesting.  I thought Rubio was in 2nd last week.  These polls are so confusing at times. Personally I think the only one I would ever vote for in the GOP party is Rubio.  Cruz is too out there for me.
    I believe that at least one poll found Rubio in 2nd in New Hampshire. Polls honestly don't say that much about actual voters. They are often not representative samples. I'm almost sure it's going to come down to Trump, Cruz, and Rubio. Maybe Carson, but I think he's about done.
  • BlueBirdMBBlueBirdMB member
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    Most polls have Rubio in second in NH and nationally, I believe.  Polling is so inaccurate though.  

    One poll came out today that had Christie in second in NH with Rubio a point behind!
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