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Re: Slippery Slope
Okay, but you just said live your life and let me live mine. So how do you reconcile that with your statements above? You are saying that in regards to abortion the laws have to reflect your moral compass.
If my daughter made a stupid mistake, had unprotected sex, became pregnant and wanted to use Plan B, or have an abortion, I would support her wholeheartedly. You shouldn't get to tell my family what is best for us just because it is what YOU believe in. My child should have rights over her own body - you should have ZERO right to decide what sort of medical procedure she has.
And obviously, a certain percentage of the time, getting unexpectedly pregnant IS due to an irresponsible decision. But again, trying to tell people that they have to follow your moral compass, is very, very different than "Live your life the way you see fit, and let me live mine."
OMG, I want to pull my hair out. Again, where did I say that this had anything to do with legality. These are my personal beliefs! All I am saying is I don't believe in abortion, I would never have an abortion and there are other options to abortion. In my OWN PERSONAL OPINION.
I don't want any say in how your daughter chooses to live her life. I, also, would expect I have the right to not have my tax dollars to support something I personally do not believe in.
I do believe you should be able to live your life as you see fit and if you would support your daughter in having an abortion...that is completely up to you. However, liberals sometimes fail to see the other side of things. Let me life my life as I see fit and I don't want my tax dollars to fund abortions (ACA provides taxpayer dollars to purchase insurance plans that cover on demand abortions). Doesn't mean I am screaming for Roe vs Wade to be overturned.
No, I wasn't calling you or everybody against gay marriage a homophobic ?sshole. I was just saying that if people aren't against it from a religious standpoint, then I can't think of any other reason other than that they are a homophobe. I promise I wasn't trying to call you an ?sshole.
Nope, it doesn't work that way. I hate old people and the fact that they suck so much of my money, but that doesn't mean I get to opt out of paying social security and Medicare.
/ends crazy sarcastic rant on old people to prove point and goes back to loving her Nana.
Then do what I do and pretend the actual dollars out of your paycheck are going to the causes you do support and not the ones you don't. I'm cool with my taxes paying for meals and health care for a family in need and teacher salaries but not wars and the salaries of senators who want to dictate what happens in my uterus.
I would like my tax dollars to go towards people in this country who actually need it and to support our infrastructure.
I do not want my tax monies going to fund wars or the military.
Cincy, I hope you can understand the confusion - you say things like:
but then you follow-up by saying
If you're just talking about yourself not getting an abortion and not getting gay married, then we're cool. But it sounds suspiciously like you want to extend that to everyone else - you just don't want to say so.
I'll take you at your word that you'll let others live their lives. But please understand why it sounds confusing.
The bolded portion of my post was in response to your post:
Perhaps since the quote feature did not work correctly, there was confusion?
No, that would be ridiculous. Again, IMO that would be up to that person's individual conscience. Not something I have a say in or would want to have a say in.
Just because I personally do not believe in same sex marriage does not make me a homophobic a@@hole.
My DH's best friend is gay, he has been a godsend in my DH's life and I respect him for things he has done to love/support my DH. My nephew is gay, I adore him and love spending time with him. My daughter's BFF is gay, he is a wonderful young man and is welcome in my home anytime. How could I hate someone who makes my daughter so happy to be in his company?
I never understood the "I have gay friends and they are wonderful! I just don't want them getting married." line of thinking.
Straight marriage is more damaging than gay marriage because, you know, 50% divorce rate.
I offer no position for or against same sex marriage. I personally do not believe in it.
I could go into the reason why I personally don't believe in it but is irrelevant to this discussion. Because regardless of my personal beliefs, I wish to let people live their life in the manner that best suits them and I will life my life in the manner that best suits me
The worst thing someone who is against gay marriage could say is, "I have gay friends."
I would rather you not have any gay friends, at least it would make more sense. The fact that you know and love these people and STILL don't want them to have the same rights as you just boggles my mind.
Do they know you are one of many people keeping them from attaining their much deserved civil rights?
I'm really confused about what exactly you're trying to say- I guess there's a lot that gets lost in translation over the internet. Excuse me for nitpicking- I'm just trying to clarify some things, so I hope you don't mind if I ask you a few more questions.
Why don't you personally believe in same-sex marriage? And even though you don't believe in it, are you saying that it's okay with you if the government recognizes same-sex marriages and gives gay married couples all of the same rights as straight married couples?
Please do explain. I find it completely relevant.
No, I was simply saying that one who doesn't personally believe in same sex marriage is not necessarily a homophobic a@@hole.
Why don't you believe in gay marriage, then?
Do you think insurance costs will go up?
All the geighs will take the good wedding venues and the straights will have to go to the lesser venues?
Yes, I get that. I am asking you to enlighten me as to what basis a person could have for opposing same-sex marriage other than homophobia.
My personal beliefs are irrelevant to the discussion of whether same sex marriage should be legal or not. I believe people are entitled to live their life in the way they desire regardless of my personal beliefs. I am not sure how I can say it any clearer.
And yes, my DH's friend is aware of his personal beliefs regarding homosexuality and just as my DH respects his personal beliefs he respects my DH's (because he understands the context of his beliefs).
Are you trying to be deliberately obtuse or are you planning a future in politics?
What does it mean to not believe in abortion/gay marriage? Because I assure you, there are abortions and gay marriages. Do you mean that you don't believe people should get abortions and gay marriages or do you mean you believe there shouldn't be abortion/gay marriages?
I guess I'm having a hard time understanding why you keep saying "I'm not saying it should be illegal, I'm saying I don't believe in it" (paraphrased). Is that the equivalent of saying "I don't want to engage, but I think it should be legal for others."?
No, just trying to maintain civility. Because not matter what I say I will be villified for my personal beliefs and will have idiot comments thrown at me:
Why don't you believe in gay marriage, then?
Do you think insurance costs will go up?
All the geighs will take the good wedding venues and the straights will have to go to the lesser venues?
Your beliefs are relevant because YOU made the claim that they are not based on homophobia. If you have a legitimate reason that justifies treating an entire demographic bloc as second-class citizens, I would like to hear it.