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Secret accounts?

A friend of mine last April started what she calls a "secret account" that supposedly her husband doesn't know anything about and has been slowly funneling money into it (about $50/75 month).  From what she's said, the purpose is to be able to buy things for him without him knowing or seeing the amount.

This just rubs me the wrong way for some reason.  Maybe I've watched too many people die lately and their families are having to go around and figure out where all the accounts are and that's without people intentionally hiding things.

I know people do things different ways and many people have separate accounts, but don't the spouses usually know what accounts exist even if they're separate?

Maybe I'm just weird......

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Re: Secret accounts?

  • H and I keep our allowance accounts separate, but we definitely know about them and are listed as beneficiaries on each other's allowance account. I understand wanting some autonomy when it comes to spending. But actually keeping it a secret screams of bigger issues, IMO.
  • Yeah having an allowance/gift account so you can surprise one another is one thing.  H and I have talked about setting this up and funding them to some relatively small amount just because we haven't been able to surprise each other really at all since getting married.  It makes birthdays kind of anticlimactic.  

    Having an account your spouse doesn't know about at all is an entirely different matter.

    That being said, I see this a lot in my practice.  Often one spouse has so much more financial control than the other that there are numerous accounts out there the other spouse has no clue about.
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  • My boss and co-worker were just telling me and another younger co-worker how we should have a separate secret account or stash from our husbands in case "anything happens" as in leaves us or cheats on us etc. We were both a bit taken back.... I'm all about having separate spending $ for things we each want to buy for ourselves or each other, but I feel it's a bit extreme and sketchy to go hiding money. I wouldn't have married nor joined accounts with H if I didn't trust him...and this isn't something that I would feel comfortable hiding from him....Our money is each others money.

    For the record, neither of these women are currently married or in a stable relationship.....

  • H and I keep all of our accounts separate, but he definitely knows about all of them.  He just has the one checking because that's all he wants to manage.  I have 1 checking and 5 savings; he gives me money each month to distribute into savings how I see fit.  We are beneficiaries on each other's accounts.

    Any time a spouse is hiding money for any reason, that is a HUGE red flag IMO.  I also see this a lot in banking.  One spouse--usually the man--is in total control of the finances, and then when they pass away, the wife comes into the bank totally lost and with no clue what they have or what to do.  It's really quite sad.

  • We just have separate checking accounts and credit cards. We know each other's information and the bills are split based on income.. I take care of the bulk of them and DH covers DD#2's day care, DD#1's after school, his car payment, and his credit card. It works for us for now- we'll change it up if it becomes a problem. 
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  • This is really unhealthy. Unless she's being abused, there is no excuse for this.
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  • If it is truly, truly for gifts, then fine, I guess. But something tells me there might be more to the story.

    I did have a coworker once tell me that I should have separate accounts from H, "in case he leaves." Yeah, no thanks. Not something I'm worried about, though I feel badly for my coworker that something caused her to have that line of thinking. I just nodded and smiled.
  • jtmh2012 said:



    If it is truly, truly for gifts, then fine, I guess. But something tells me there might be more to the story.



    As near as I can tell that's all she's using it for.  She just told me she's managed to accumulate $4200 since April between her $50/75 a month and various gifts she was given.  Told me she was thinking about booking a trip to Mexico for the two of them.

    And just to be clear, even though we don't have separate accounts (everything is joint as much as we could make it), it's not the separate that bothers me.  It's the fact that it is secret.  I just think both spouses should know that the account at least exists.

    I'm glad that's all it is. And yes, totally agree that it shouldn't be secret if there's that much money involved!
  • I'm still trying to figure out how thats possible. I mean wouldn't the bank send letters or something at some point?

    I still just don't understand having joint accounts but paying so little attention that you don't notice money missing and then your spouse books a 5k trip and you tell them "oh yea i've had a secret account that you didn't know about and i just spent 5k that you didn't know existed" - and then expect them to be happy? 
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  • KAdams767KAdams767 member
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    I'm still trying to figure out how thats possible. I mean wouldn't the bank send letters or something at some point?

    I still just don't understand having joint accounts but paying so little attention that you don't notice money missing and then your spouse books a 5k trip and you tell them "oh yea i've had a secret account that you didn't know about and i just spent 5k that you didn't know existed" - and then expect them to be happy? 
    Well, if my bank for my personal account sent a letter or anything, it would be addressed to me, not DH and he doesn't open my mail.  I don't deliberately keep any money secret from him, but trust me when I say that my husband would not notice $50-$100 month if I funneled it out of our joint account.  The only reason that I would notice if he did the reverse is because I am the one who balances our joint account.  But if he suddenly decided to hoard his personal money and book a surprise trip for us?  I.WOULD.BE.THRILLED!   
  • does she work?  I'm thinking if she doesn't then I can understand it.  For me I have a separate business savings acct that I put money in there also to buy DH gifts.  Its not a secret though.
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  • I'm still trying to figure out how thats possible. I mean wouldn't the bank send letters or something at some point?

    I still just don't understand having joint accounts but paying so little attention that you don't notice money missing and then your spouse books a 5k trip and you tell them "oh yea i've had a secret account that you didn't know about and i just spent 5k that you didn't know existed" - and then expect them to be happy? 
    I'm honestly not sure if they have any joint accounts at or or not.  If they do, it might be just one for paying bills.  They both work, but essentially have separate finances.  So not like he'd see the transfers happening.
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  • For me if my spouse had a secret account I would be concerned about what else are they hiding. This isn't like she's putting away $20 of the weekly grocery budget in the sock drawer to help save up for a family vacation.

    My husband and I have individual checking accounts for the exact reason she has a secret account. Each paycheck we get an "allowance" that goes into our individual accounts. We can each spend that money however we like with no questions asked. My husband likes to use his for going out to lunch or once or twice a year a new video game. I tend to use my for clothes. But it's our money to do with as please & it has no impact on our joint account and the bills that need to be paid.

    I think she needs to approach husband and maybe propose something like this. This way they both get some spending freedom but then they aren't hiding things from each other.

  • Erikan73 said:

    I think she needs to approach husband and maybe propose something like this. This way they both get some spending freedom but then they aren't hiding things from each other.

    I told her I didn't think it was a good idea when she initially mentioned it to me.  At this point, I just keep my mouth shut.
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  • Hmmm, I'm torn on this.  Like, I think it's a nice surprise for her husband, so in this case, I think I'm OK with it.  

    But, I know people who have secret accounts because they don't want their spouse knowing they have that money and/or what they're spending their money on (although I'm not sure how you'd buy a big ticket physical item without your spouse wondering where the money came from).  

    Unfortunately my grandmother did that with a portion of her earnings, because my grandfather was an alcoholic and if he knew that money was there, he'd spend it.  He died pretty young and my grandma actually did OK because she had that secret money though... so I don't know.  This was also back in the 50s/60s so keeping a secret like that was probably easier.  

    We have separate accounts, and one joint that we just use to transfer money between us at this point, but we also know what each others' budgets are, and generally what we spend our own money on.  
  • KAdams767 said:
    I'm still trying to figure out how thats possible. I mean wouldn't the bank send letters or something at some point?

    I still just don't understand having joint accounts but paying so little attention that you don't notice money missing and then your spouse books a 5k trip and you tell them "oh yea i've had a secret account that you didn't know about and i just spent 5k that you didn't know existed" - and then expect them to be happy? 
    Well, if my bank for my personal account sent a letter or anything, it would be addressed to me, not DH and he doesn't open my mail.  I don't deliberately keep any money secret from him, but trust me when I say that my husband would not notice $50-$100 month if I funneled it out of our joint account.  The only reason that I would notice if he did the reverse is because I am the one who balances our joint account.  But if he suddenly decided to hoard his personal money and book a surprise trip for us?  I.WOULD.BE.THRILLED!   
    Ditto.  H would never notice if I funneled some money away.  He checks the CCs, but not the bank accounts.  I would notice, but if we had agreed to have some personal money, and he surprised me with a getaway somewhere?  He would get the Best Husband Ever award in my book.
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  • Although I do find the "secret" part odd, I don't find it as alarming as other people do.  If it is fairly small sums, I guess I just don't see the big deal.  Or, maybe she knows her husband and knows he wouldn't see it as a big deal either, but will get a big thrill to find out she has secretly been saving some money to surprise him with a big gift.
  • Erikan73 said:

    For me if my spouse had a secret account I would be concerned about what else are they hiding. This isn't like she's putting away $20 of the weekly grocery budget in the sock drawer to help save up for a family vacation.


    Um, isn't this pretty much exactly what she is doing?  Taking $50-$100 month and splurging on a trip to Mexico? 
  • KAdams767 said:
    Erikan73 said:

    For me if my spouse had a secret account I would be concerned about what else are they hiding. This isn't like she's putting away $20 of the weekly grocery budget in the sock drawer to help save up for a family vacation.


    Um, isn't this pretty much exactly what she is doing?  Taking $50-$100 month and splurging on a trip to Mexico? 
    There must have been more money involved than that to get into the $4,000s so quickly.  Either way, it does sound like her heart is in the right place.  I've learned on the off times that financial stuff comes up with my IRL friends that most of us around here are in the minority with our extreme openness about finances with our partners.  
  • My MIL has a secret account her husband doesn't know about.  It's extremely unhealthy.  She does it because he's a selfish cheapskate who won't let her spend a penny on anything that she wants or needs.  So yeah, it's pretty unhealthy.
  • Uh.. yah, if we need to buy something for the other, and we don't want them to see the store, we just take cash out and then buy it with case. If it's something we buy online, well, then, oh well! We may have an idea what we're getting. The only people I know who had secret accounts were stashing money in prep for divorce
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  • bmo88bmo88 member
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    No secret accounts for us. We do have separate accounts though. 

    DH and I have one joint savings account and each have separate checking (cannot agree on which bank to merge to). We have done this for the past 8 years and it has worked well, though we have considered merging. We treat all of our money as "ours" though.

    I have a separate savings account, but he knows I have it. He doesn't always know the exact balance, but if he asked I would tell him.

    I do believe that each individual should have their own savings account and retirement account. This is more from a personal protection standpoint. If for some reason you were to divorce, you don't want to be financially crippled. Each person should be honest about the balances, but I see nothing wrong with each having separate savings.
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  • KAdams767 said:
    I'm still trying to figure out how thats possible. I mean wouldn't the bank send letters or something at some point?

    I still just don't understand having joint accounts but paying so little attention that you don't notice money missing and then your spouse books a 5k trip and you tell them "oh yea i've had a secret account that you didn't know about and i just spent 5k that you didn't know existed" - and then expect them to be happy? 
    Well, if my bank for my personal account sent a letter or anything, it would be addressed to me, not DH and he doesn't open my mail.  I don't deliberately keep any money secret from him, but trust me when I say that my husband would not notice $50-$100 month if I funneled it out of our joint account.  The only reason that I would notice if he did the reverse is because I am the one who balances our joint account.  But if he suddenly decided to hoard his personal money and book a surprise trip for us?  I.WOULD.BE.THRILLED!   
    Haha.  I guess when you put it that way, I agree! 
  • This really doesn't bother me much. Maybe because H and I keep separate finances but I really wouldn't care if he was putting money away each pay check and didn't tell me. What he does with his money is his business and vice versa. I would especially be happy if he booked us a trip some where using the money! I definitely think I'm in the minority here thou.


  • My husband would notice 50-100 a month missing and all he does is check the account - he doesn't do the budget or balance it or anything. ONLY way i could spin it is to keep taking out cash back when i went grocery shopping so it showed up in the account as the grocery store. He'd just be like "howd we spend so much on groceries" lol. But he couldn't do it to me if he tried. I pay attention to every dollar. He'd have to deliberately lie and tell me he needed cash for something that didnt exist. and really he could only do at most an OCCASIONAL 40 dollars. or i'd be like "stop spending money!"

    Neither one of us would be very happy with each other if we did it even to surprise them with a trip. 4k is a lot of money to us! - if we could afford a 4k vacation, we would plan it together. 
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  • This is something we regularly recommend to our clients who are in domestic violence situations, especially if there is also substance abuse. We always ask if there is any way they can stash some money aside for when they are able to leave, if they want to. It's part of a safety plan. It's not ideal for someone to have to hide money from their spouse/significant other but sometimes it is a survival mechanism.


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  • jtmh2012 said:

    A friend of mine last April started what she calls a "secret account" that supposedly her husband doesn't know anything about and has been slowly funneling money into it (about $50/75 month).  From what she's said, the purpose is to be able to buy things for him without him knowing or seeing the amount.

    This just rubs me the wrong way for some reason.  Maybe I've watched too many people die lately and their families are having to go around and figure out where all the accounts are and that's without people intentionally hiding things.

    I know people do things different ways and many people have separate accounts, but don't the spouses usually know what accounts exist even if they're separate?

    Maybe I'm just weird......

    I feel like there's more to this story than she's telling.  What's the purpose of keeping it secret?  Couldn't she just say she wants to have separate accounts with a set amount going in each month for gifts for each other?  I don't think secrecy is good in a healthy marriage.
  • JoanE2012 said:
    I feel like there's more to this story than she's telling.  What's the purpose of keeping it secret?  Couldn't she just say she wants to have separate accounts with a set amount going in each month for gifts for each other?  I don't think secrecy is good in a healthy marriage.
    Honestly, I've always found her a little weird.  I guess this is just one more thing to the list.
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  • blondie42107blondie42107 member
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    Generally speaking, I'd say it's sketchy to have a secret account like that.  This obviously doesn't include those special circumstances like abuse, etc.  If she wants the account then be honest about it.  If my H had an account like that (I'd be shocked) with plans of surprising me with a trip, I'd actually be annoyed unless he knew for certain that it was a place we both wanted to go and knew when we could actually do it.  I'm sorry, we have kids, jobs, other responsibilities, etc.  We don't just fly off on a vacation on a whim.  We plan things.  

    And if there's a concern about divorce, I'm not sure how much that would protect that money.  When H's uncle divorced, his aunt had several accounts, credit cards, etc and the judge determined that because they were married, the uncle owed half of the debt even though his name was on none of it.  He also got half of her secret savings accounts.  Crazy aunt even had stuff sent to a "secret" PO Box that was only in her name.
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