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Re: Video of Zimmerman after shooting shows no cuts, bruises
His clothes in the surveillance video were clean. I'd think there'd be some blood on it, whether his or Tray's.
I think the 250 lb came from police records of his prior arrest several years ago. He has apparently lost weight since then (as you can tell from the photos - the mug shot vs. more recent pics).
Ah ok, that'd make sense. He certainly looked bigger in that mugshot we've all had tattooed in our heads.
This is true. I thought I heard that the theory was that he shot the boy while he was on top of him. If that's the case there should be some blood on the front of Zimmerman, right?
How does that work in these situations? Do they remove clothing for evidence or do they keep people in the bloody clothes until they get to the station and then remove them? Something isn't adding up here. This whole situation has so many holes.
Sibil, this is the page with the comments :
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/trayvon-martin-case-exclusive-surveillance-video-george-zimmerman/story?id=16022897#.T3PGNcw34Xw
About 2/3 of the way through the video, there is a mark showing on the back of his head that could be a scratch of some kind. I will say it is hard to see but it is there. Also why did ABC have their logo over his head shortly after he got out of the car, it would have been the best view of the back of his head. The article also said he had medical attention after the shooting. Would you not conclude that the medic would have cleaned of the blood. Something is not right here.
ABC joins a mainstream media torrent of irresponsibility, working to whip up a lynch mob frenzy in the absence of any unbiased information. Instead, it publishes a three year old picture of Martin and spews out a one-sided blizzard of propaganda, right out of the Jesse Jackson playbook. Shame on you.
I thought Zimmerman was guilty, but the more the media lies about this case, I am beginning to believe his side of the story. That policeman was clearly checking the back of his head with concern.
Policeman clearly checking the Laceration on the back of his head. ABC = Openly lying.
Having had two cuts like this, that both needed stitches....Hell, yes. You bleed like a stuck pig from head cuts.
Oh, good comments like this.
I can't believe the ignorance on this board. This has nothing to do with white on black crime. Zimmerman is Hispanic.
If they were going to take his clothing into evidence, they would have done it after they arrived at the station and given him a jumpsuit or something to wear.
According to H, they should have taken his clothes into evidence so they could determine whose blood was on it (whether it was his own or Trayvon's). But this is a small town police department that didn't even drug or alcohol test him, so they may not have necessarily followed that procedure. You'd be surprised at what goes on in small town police departments. No, shocked is a better word.
I live in a small town and my sister dates a cop. He's an honest man, who follows the letter of the law.
I don't doubt that there are some shady cops and practices in some small towns, but I also think there are just as many bad cops in big cities. I think we'd be equally shocked to know what goes down in some big city police departments.
I don't mean that the cops are bad or shady - I just mean that in small towns, the cops generally don't have as much experience with serious crimes and those procedures. If your town only has one homicide every 5 years, your police probably aren't that experienced in handling that type of case. And it's easy for procedures to get skipped, for crime scenes to not be processed correctly, etc.
And I'm not saying that every small town police department is like this. But in my experience, there's a lot less accountability in places like this. I'm thinking of a couple cases in particular that would honestly appall you - evidence not collected or stored in such a way that it was useless, an obvious homicide being ruled an accident.
I can't speak for pp, but I think the implication is that a smaller police force is not used to crimes in the same way as bigger cities which often means that things are not handled the same...like evidence gathering with an eye towards big cases. I don't think it means that they are dishonest in small towns or don't follow the letter of the law.
I'm really sick of how quick people are to miss the point here. At the end of the day, the details of this case are somewhat irrelevant to the overall discussion this event should be bringing to the forefront.
The simple fact of the matter is that many people in this country fear black men on some level. Because of that fear, Zimmerman followed a black kid whom he wouldn't have even noticed had he been female or even any other color but black.
But instead of that, we're going to play games, blame it on Sharpton, dismiss the undertones because Zimmerman is Hispanic, or whatever.
Ugh, I'm not even articulating this well because I'm so fuuking irritated.
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I think it was clearly racism that caused Zimmerman to follow Trayvon in the first place. But racism isn't illegal, nor is following someone in your car.
However, shooting and killing someone without it being self-defense *is* illegal. If Trayvon did, in fact, attack Zimmerman and beat him so badly that Zimmerman had cause to fear for his life, then it wasn't illegal for him to shoot him. But, this video seems to disprove his story about having been attacked or in such an intense fight. Meaning it wasn't self defense - it was murder, or manslaughter at the very least.
And for that, he should be arrested.
Oh I didn't mean you guys. I'm sorry I didn't make that clear. I just mean among the general population.
We all know the only reason Zimmerman followed Trayvon is because the kid was black. He may not have consciously hated black folks in every day life but I guarantee you, like a whole lot of people, he has a negative perception of black men, especially at night, in his neighborhood and that's why he followed him.
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But the more the case plays on the more it seems like people are thinking it is blacks being too sensitive. Looking at that video and thinking that he looks like someone who has been attacked or hell that his claim makes ANY kind of sense is what is frustrating.
The Jet Blue pilot has a farking mental breakdown and he is charged day #2 while Zimmerman pursues and kills a young man and his claims are debated like they have merit.
Quite frankly there are people in this thread who maintain a position that seems illogical and detached from the facts.
I agree that there's a lot of "us vs them" going on. Maybe I shouldn't be, but I am continually surprised that this is not a unity horse case.
I keep thinking of Trayvon's family, and my heart breaks for them.
ETA when I say "us vs them", I don't necessarily mean white people vs black people so much as angry right against angry left.
I'm with HAB and I think this whole second paragraph is for the courts to decide. That's what I don't get - why are we trying this case in the court of public opinion?
AW, if the cop were truly investigating a wound from having Z's head slammed against the pavement, don't you think he'd react more? As it was it was like he was maybe doing a quick lice check - there was nothing to see. And if he WAS stitched up or even had a butterfly bandage, the wound would be covered with gauze or a bandage. A freshly stitched wound can easily get infected and is usually at least temporarily covered. There was no wound, no stitches, no blood, no nothing.
To be honest, I really feel like people who are "trying to see both sides" and who "don't want to jump to a conclusion of racism" are really just trying to excuse the white guy and blame the black guy. I think many people in this category don't even realize it, but really are just much more comfortable with the worldview that the black guy deserved it and the white guy is the hero. It's just harder to swallow that yes, racism is alive, well, and pretty much abundantly clear here. And no one is doing anything about it in Sanford.
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Because no one else is trying this case. All of this breaking down of the facts as we know them is response to the fact that the police won't even arrest this dude. The subtext to this whole debate is, "why the hell isn't this guy being charged or even indicted????!!!"
Yes, gloves are the first thing, and medics can't do stitches in the field, so there is no way Zimmerman got any kind of medical care that night.
I once had my face slammed into concrete (by the force of gravity). Within 60 minutes my chin and nose were swollen twice their size with purple bruises. My chin was completely skinned. I had scrapes and bruises across my forehead. People who saw me from across the street were gasping. Maybe I had a particularly unusual reaction to head meeting concrete from a few feet away. But having experienced that and the months of recovery before I looked normal, I would be hard pressed to believe anyone whose head had been purportedly slammed into the ground multiple times and was moving with no visible injurie but also no apparent pain.
This dude is now my public enemy #1. I had Nasty Grace on last night because, well I like her rants occasionally. This is the dude that Zimmerpig left the voicemail thanking him for his support. He is a grade A ass, and birds of a feather and all that shiz.
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/03/28/nancy-cuts-mic-zimmermans-friend
This is exactly where I am as well. Especially after seeing this video.
For the second part, my FB is full of people from the Sanford area blowing my news feed up with Zimmerman sympathy and I'd say they're well aware they're racist and perfectly fine with it.