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Re: Obesity rate may be worse than we think
Wow, an article stating that people don't know when their BMI is unhealthy?? How shocking, considering most people in this thread have agreed that BMI alone is a spectacularly sh!itty and flawed system of measuring health or even "obesity". Yeah, I can't imagine why that 5'2", 140lb woman who weight lifts would not consider herself to be overweight or obese, because protip, she's not.
Also, did you even read the study? They went based off the patient with over 25 BMI telling their doctor they were looking to lose weight or had attempted to lose weight in the past few months. It's not like they took some huge sample and used a questionnaire. Just because a person isn't actively or looking to lose weight doesn't mean they're not aware.
Like I said: because you can't start with a complicated system, it defeats the point of having something as an indicator that's easy to calculate. No simplified system is going to be perfect. You could go to something like percent body fat (which, depending on how you calculate it, is also going to up the cost of a basic physical, since it takes more measurements/time), but I'm assuming there are still people who are relatively healthy despite having a higher percent body fat than others.
I don't understand the point of the second paragraph. You weren't under restrictions that you didn't have to be. Your MW took into account a more complete picture of your health before making a decision, so the simplified system did exactly what it was supposed to do. Triggered a check, restrictions weren't needed, off you go.
Things I have learned today:
Getting rid of wide seats and fat people clothes will cure me of my compulsive overeating. I will make sure to tell my therapist!
Thanks for taking a superbly complex issue and totally simplifying it for me!
ETA: I also don't know that I am fat. Damn. I thought I knew, but I guess I don't have a clue. I am a SKINNNYYYY yay!
I wish I could give you a hug. I find it hard to believe you were fat at one point having met you IRL, but body dysmorphia is a huge problem and reading some of the posts in this thread totally disgusted me.
I probably shouldn't have even come into this thread. Bleh.
But what if I hadn't already known that BMI was a load of crap? I wouldn't have known to point out that I weight lift and that I had just had my body fat checked and it was actually pretty low. Without those facts my MW may have stuck to wanting me to gain only 15 lbs. So then I have to go through 40 weeks of agonizing over the fact that I gained 25 instead of 15 all because I had an incorrect label put on my chart.
I don't agree with BMI being used for medical purposes. There has to be something that isn't as complicated as jumping in a pool of water to check body fat to give you a indicator of how you are weight wise. There are smart people out there, why can't something be developed? Take into consideration, height, age, gender, weight, and body build. That can't be that hard.
Can we hold hands? Because I am chowing on french fries from Mystic Pizza while reading this. YUM.
And, no, my fat ass should not being eating them. I'm taking no responsibility.
Fitness tests, blood work, the myriad of other ways of individually assessing a person's health that doesn't involve a BMI system that's pretty messed up and wildly inaccurate at times and generalizes people's bodies despite the fact that there's a lot of variance from human body to human body?
A lot of women who cross-fit for instance gain weight- a woman at my gym joined at 110lbs and 5'1". She's at around 135 lbs now, but her waist is even smaller and toned and she's strong as hell. But her BMI registers pretty high as a result and she'd traditionally be considered overweight right now, despite the fact that she's a lot healthier now than she was when she first joined at her "healthy" weight. She freaked out at first because of the type of sentiment flying around this thread. There's a lot more to body health than just the number on the scale.
Copz, I hear ya!
I'm fat. I know it. I know my health risks and current conditions can be improved by weight loss. I'm actively working on getting my weight down. I'm currently 22 pounds down from my starting get-it-together-woman weight.
But I refuse to let anyone make me feel bad for where I am right now. I'm a work in progress and to anyone that thinks I don't know I'm fat and wants to take it upon him or herself to tell me so, you know for my own good or some ish like that, well here you go...
Well, for a thread that is really a rehash of like 40 other identical threads we've had on this topic (but for the fat people shouldn't wear clothes bit), I'm kind of surprised it merited a board invasion, but I guess if it's a slow day on ML, you're welcome to come here and say whatever you want.
No... it's FUN to be fat. Especially when people videotape you eating without your knowledge and then post it on FB to have all their friends laugh at you.
http://community.thenest.com/cs/ks/forums/thread/64829523.aspx
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That is horrible. I would def. say something if I were the OP
That makes me want to cry.
What the fuuk is WRONG with people?
So, this could be totally irrelevant since I stopped reading the thread around page 6, but I like to read my own words.
I think it's weird to argue that we shouldn't have clothes available for fatties. Like it doesn't even make sense to me. I'm biased though, b/c as a woman with sizing concerns (large breasts, 5'10), I know that I feel better about myself and more inclined to take care of myself when I feel like I have things that fit me. When I don't feel that way, I am far more likely to stuff my face full of cheetos and wash it down with some cherry coke. Now, I'm not a psychologist or a therapist, but I like to play one on the nest, and I think I'm right about if you feel better about yourself you are more likely to care about what you are putting in your body. I also think our food sources, recesses, and other things mentioned are important for our society/children and would help our overall health. I think this clothing suggestion, however, is ridiculous and counterproductive.
Also, I am really excited to finally feel comfortable in tops and dresses. Because my breast reduction is scheduled for 5/17.... plastic surgery FTW.
160 pounds at what height? I'd have a BMI of 28.3 at that weight, putting me in the overweight category.
It is not that difficult. I know that at my height, I won't reach the "normal" category until I weigh 141 pounds. It's always been a mantra from doctors, though, that I should weigh about 120-130 lbs.
But at 5'7" or taller, 160 is normal. I really doubt there's anyone who doesn't know when they are overweight. Have you ever met a woman not concerned with her weight?
HAB, i'm sure i'm going to be told that i have no idea what i'm talking about but to answer what i think was your original question, it's not exceptionally harder to make plus sized clothing from "normal" sized patterns. it takes some work but not much. and the costs involved do not justify higher prices. the fabric is still purchased in bulk. the costs for adjusting patterns can and should be considered part of developing a plus-sized line of clothing.
or so says my father who was a garment manufacturer for 27 years.
hiw direct quote, "yes, it costs more but it always costs money to make a pattern. it's considered part of R&D, just like creating any pattern."
I grew up on and off in a "food desert" and now live in Europe. It is night and day and a lot of it comes down to society, IMO. In a food desert what you have around you are basically convenience stores and gas stations. If you have no money and no car, you have to go to the stores that are around you. And many places in the South don't have public transportation so there is that. The fruits and vegetables in those bodega-like places look like someone picked them up off the side of a road after they had been run over by a truck. If they had them at all. And there was absolutely no education on what one should eat and why. Most of the foods I eat now, I wasn't introduced to until college. I ate how everyone ate and if I hadn't left and been exposed to other ways I would probably still run around thinking Hawaiian Punch in a bottle and a KitKat is a perfectly acceptable snack for my child. Also depending on where you live, people aren't being alarmist not letting their kids play outside. My cousins on the South Side of Chicago don't let their kids ride their bikes outside and I don't blame them. And yes, they could take their bikes on the train I guess to somewhere safer and ride, but really it's not like their lives are filled with so much free time that that is going to be something they can do regularly. And they live by bus lines, not trains and I don't think they let you take bikes on the buses there, but I could be wrong.
Europe, well, Germany, at least is just set-up completely differently. Even the bigger cities have broad sidewalks for walking and clearly marked bike lanes. Bikes are respected on the road (for the most part) and so people use cars less and bike more to work, to the store, everywhere. The culture is one that stresses the importance of fresh air and going out for walks in the mountains or in nature reserves in the afternoons. There are places in the States that don't even have safe sidewalks for walking. There are parts that are a bit to bread and meat focused for my liking, but it's balanced at least with fruits and veggies and regular everyday exercise. They don't work as much, there are more vacations, shorter workdays.... It all comes together in a way. And I'll say it, there are basically no guns so they odds of your kid getting shot while they are out playing even in the worst neighborhoods are very low.
I don't know if I'm explaining myself correctly, but there is something in the society here that teaches people a healthier way of life that we are missing back home. It's not that these things aren't a choice to some extent and it's not like Germany is perfect, but there is a definite societal factor at play that influences all of this. I guess I'm saying there really is a component that comes down to the general culture and options.
ETA to make some bit of sense. Oh, and advertisement. Completely different. There aren't that many ads here in general so there is not so much pushing the unhealthy stuff. The ads come basically all at the end of the show so it's easier to ignore them and do something else until the next show. And I feel like I very rarely see a fast food ad. I would not be surprised if that is regulated somehow.
The science is what it is. Researchers don't come out with these findings to make people feel bad.
You and I need to talk.
Well I'm just a home sewist so clearly I know nothing. LOL
But I agree with your father. Plus, my question wasn't even about why people who don't make plus sized clothes don't make plus sized clothes but why stores who make both plus sized and misses sized clothes under their own label don't make the same garment for both sizes.
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Frankly? I've got no respect for a medical professional who would base pregnancy health recommendations completely on BMI, and needs a patient correcting them on its implementation. Of your list, the only one BMI doesn't factor in either the calculation or healthy range is "body build". How could that possibly be objectively determined?
OK, I just have to say that I love this post....lol.
You are awesome!