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Getting married young...

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  • The people talking about statistics make no sense. If you really loved the person that you were with, then why would you let "statistics" get in the way of your marriage? Maybe that is one of the reasons divorce rates are so high. People all of the sudden think they should follow what society thinks, then they forget about how they really feel. If you follow what everybody else around you thinks, then you are doomed to fail from the start.
    One of the reasons divorce rates are so high because people let society tell them to divorce with statistics?  That's freaking ridiculous.  I know a lot of divorced people and not one of them to my knowledge gave a shit about outside opinions of their marriage.
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  • A marriage doesn't fail because of the age you got married, a marriage fails either A. You weren't right for each other when you got married B. You gave up. If you vow to be with somebody forever it is your responsibility to fight through the hard times and make it work.

    Before we got married we were watching tv and saw a discussion on Pre nuptual agreements, we both wondered why anybody in their right mind would do that. You are setting yourself up for a divorce. If you take divorce off the table from the start and agree that you love each other enough to make it work, then there shouldn't be an issue.

    Divorce has NOTHING to do with age and anybody who doesn't agree with something because of statistics is a ding dong in my book.

    I just got married and we are 20 and 24. Don't let anybody tell you that you made a bad choice girl. At least we get a longer time to spend with our husbands: )

     

     

    I can't even take this seriously.  You're barely an adult.  You have no idea what will happen in your life in the next 50 years.  Good for you for taking divorce off the table. I sincerely hope you never have to deal with anything horrible or life changing that causes you or your H to act and feel differently because spending your life trapped with someone you don't love any more just because divorce isn't an option sounds horrible to me.

    Like I said, I was married at 23 and we've now been together almost 13 years and are very happy.  But that's a lot of luck.  Neither of us got horribly sick.  We haven't lost a child.  As of yet neither of us has had a mid life crisis causing us to rethink major decisions we made as teenagers. I have faith we'll be together until one of us dies.  But I'm realistic.  At 31 I've barely started living my life and I have zero idea what's going to get thrown at us or how we'll react.  I love my H and we never even joke about divorce.  But you can bet your ass if we're both miserable some day and therapy and trying to force feelings that aren't there isn't going to fix it, i will get my ass out the door before I waste my life being unhappy.
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  • A marriage doesn't fail because of the age you got married, a marriage fails either A. You weren't right for each other when you got married B. You gave up. If you vow to be with somebody forever it is your responsibility to fight through the hard times and make it work.

    Before we got married we were watching tv and saw a discussion on Pre nuptual agreements, we both wondered why anybody in their right mind would do that. You are setting yourself up for a divorce. If you take divorce off the table from the start and agree that you love each other enough to make it work, then there shouldn't be an issue.

    Divorce has NOTHING to do with age and anybody who doesn't agree with something because of statistics is a ding dong in my book.

    I just got married and we are 20 and 24. Don't let anybody tell you that you made a bad choice girl. At least we get a longer time to spend with our husbands: )

    @Onceinalovetime, this is so cute. I remember when I got married, and I remember all the years that we weren't going to get divorced, because "Marriage takes work!" and "People who get divorced are just giving up!" and of course our families and religion were all very anti-divorce.

    You know what? We could have stayed married! Absolutely! And you know what else? We could have been unhappy for another 30-60 years! It's perfectly fine to choose to stay together forever, and I whole-heartedly believe it's possible. However, we chose happiness instead. I think I'll live without winning the "longest-married-couple" bouquet at some future wedding. A lifetime of happiness just isn't worth the bragging rights to me.

    (And FWIW, we married young. And we were not at all the same people at 23 that we were when we got divorced at 31. I think the biggest changes happened around 28.)
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  • I'm thinking that a few of you don't know what exactly statistics are or what they mean. And I wonder if onceinalovetime thinks that purchasing car insurance means that you're planning to get into an accident. And I wish I was as smart now as I thought I was at the ripe old age of 20.
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  • I find it funny this board is all about statistics yet they seem to ignore the ones about living together. I can't even tell you how many times I have seen people here tell couples they should live together before marriage, yet statistics show that couples who do so have a higher divorce rate. Yes it is true getting married young can lead to divorce but is it the cause? No especially in a day in age when over half of all marriages are ending anyway. It really has nothing to do with age in my opinion it has everything to do with the people. They say that if you can get past year 7 you are pretty well good to go because years 5-7 are the highest for divorce at any age. 

    I was never suggesting everyone go around telling young people to get married. But if someone has decided it is for them I think it is wrong for someone to talk them out of it based on age alone. It's not fair to stereotype like that. 

    I understand the idea behind what you're trying to say, but I also think it's extremely naive to think that age doesn't play a role in the divorce rate. Age can be the cause of divorce. I've seen it happen many, many times with the people around me. It's a stereotype for a reason.

    I was 22 when I got married. Out the people I know who got married around the same age that I did, more of them are divorced than still married by a fairly large margin. 
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  • I married young but have learned to keep that kind of on the down low on the internet because everyone just goes crazy! In real life, no one cares!!! Amazing how that works right? But it's probably because people who sit on the internet all day have no lives... 

    Anyway, I was 21 when I got married to my husband (who was 23). We've been together for over a year now! (total of 4 years together, lived together for 3 of those years). 

    Here's the thing. Divorces happen not because of your age, but because 1) people who marry don't realize the commitment 2) people marry the wrong person 3) People who marry for the wrong reason 4) people give up

    I've witnessed a few divorces. One was my husband's sister, they were married for 5 years, and went to counseling. She wanted to make it work. He didn't. There was another girl and he ended up marrying her shortly after the divorce! Total jerk if you ask me... 

    My cousin married because she was having a baby or apparently it might have been she got pregnant in order to get married, we're not sure which, but they are now going to counseling to make it work (haven't even been married for a year!) We don't think it will work out. She was the same age I was, but not mature at all. She basically ran away from home for this guy (who works at Walmart), doesn't have a job, and they're both relying on food stamps.... not to mention she's pregnant AGAIN!

    It has nothing to do with age. Sure younger people TEND to be immature or irresponsible, but there are EXCEPTIONS and it's much better to base marriage on maturity rather than age. I mean my sister is now 21 and she's drinking, partying, going crazy, etc... but when I was 21 I was working, trying to graduate, never partied, I was pretty  much down to earth. I was the older child and if you want to look at those studies, older children tend to be more mature and responsible, but I don't go around shoving that in people's faces....

    Remember back in the day, people married at 14! Their marriages lasted. My grandma was 15 and was still married to my grandpa when she was on her deathbed at age 72. 

    All in all, don't let it get to you. Whatever works for you works for you and just think, 25 years from now, you can shove it in their face about marrying young.
  • I married young but have learned to keep that kind of on the down low on the internet because everyone just goes crazy! In real life, no one cares!!! Amazing how that works right? But it's probably because people who sit on the internet all day have no lives... 

    Anyway, I was 21 when I got married to my husband (who was 23). We've been together for over a year now! (total of 4 years together, lived together for 3 of those years). 

    Here's the thing. Divorces happen not because of your age, but because 1) people who marry don't realize the commitment 2) people marry the wrong person 3) People who marry for the wrong reason 4) people give up

    I've witnessed a few divorces. One was my husband's sister, they were married for 5 years, and went to counseling. She wanted to make it work. He didn't. There was another girl and he ended up marrying her shortly after the divorce! Total jerk if you ask me... 

    My cousin married because she was having a baby or apparently it might have been she got pregnant in order to get married, we're not sure which, but they are now going to counseling to make it work (haven't even been married for a year!) We don't think it will work out. She was the same age I was, but not mature at all. She basically ran away from home for this guy (who works at Walmart), doesn't have a job, and they're both relying on food stamps.... not to mention she's pregnant AGAIN!

    It has nothing to do with age. Sure younger people TEND to be immature or irresponsible, but there are EXCEPTIONS and it's much better to base marriage on maturity rather than age. I mean my sister is now 21 and she's drinking, partying, going crazy, etc... but when I was 21 I was working, trying to graduate, never partied, I was pretty  much down to earth. I was the older child and if you want to look at those studies, older children tend to be more mature and responsible, but I don't go around shoving that in people's faces....

    Remember back in the day, people married at 14! Their marriages lasted. My grandma was 15 and was still married to my grandpa when she was on her deathbed at age 72. 

    All in all, don't let it get to you. Whatever works for you works for you and just think, 25 years from now, you can shove it in their face about marrying young.
    Wow! You have it all figured out! 

    Insulting people having a discussion on line...for being on line...while you're online...Judging your friends and families marriages, and using terms like "shove it in their faces". Your entire post wreaks of maturity. 


  • I married young but have learned to keep that kind of on the down low on the internet because everyone just goes crazy! In real life, no one cares!!! Amazing how that works right? But it's probably because people who sit on the internet all day have no lives... 

    Anyway, I was 21 when I got married to my husband (who was 23). We've been together for over a year now! (total of 4 years together, lived together for 3 of those years). 

    Here's the thing. Divorces happen not because of your age, but because 1) people who marry don't realize the commitment 2) people marry the wrong person 3) People who marry for the wrong reason 4) people give up

    I've witnessed a few divorces. One was my husband's sister, they were married for 5 years, and went to counseling. She wanted to make it work. He didn't. There was another girl and he ended up marrying her shortly after the divorce! Total jerk if you ask me... 

    My cousin married because she was having a baby or apparently it might have been she got pregnant in order to get married, we're not sure which, but they are now going to counseling to make it work (haven't even been married for a year!) We don't think it will work out. She was the same age I was, but not mature at all. She basically ran away from home for this guy (who works at Walmart), doesn't have a job, and they're both relying on food stamps.... not to mention she's pregnant AGAIN!

    It has nothing to do with age. Sure younger people TEND to be immature or irresponsible, but there are EXCEPTIONS and it's much better to base marriage on maturity rather than age. I mean my sister is now 21 and she's drinking, partying, going crazy, etc... but when I was 21 I was working, trying to graduate, never partied, I was pretty  much down to earth. I was the older child and if you want to look at those studies, older children tend to be more mature and responsible, but I don't go around shoving that in people's faces....

    Remember back in the day, people married at 14! Their marriages lasted. My grandma was 15 and was still married to my grandpa when she was on her deathbed at age 72. 

    All in all, don't let it get to you. Whatever works for you works for you and just think, 25 years from now, you can shove it in their face about marrying young.
    The hypocrisy in this boggles me.
    Age plays a huge part in maturity and the ability to make smart long term decisions. You said it yourself, successful marriages at a young age are the exception. I also refuse to believe that no one in real life has ever said anything to you about how young you were when you got married. I've gotten a lot of comments on it, both from people I know and from strangers who have mentioned things like I look far too young to be married. It may not be as blunt as the people who comment online, but comments are certainly made.
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  • I married young but have learned to keep that kind of on the down low on the internet because everyone just goes crazy! In real life, no one cares!!! Amazing how that works right? But it's probably because people who sit on the internet all day have no lives... 

    Remember back in the day, people married at 14! Their marriages lasted. My grandma was 15 and was still married to my grandpa when she was on her deathbed at age 72. 

    All in all, don't let it get to you. Whatever works for you works for you and just think, 25 years from now, you can shove it in their face about marrying young.

    This pretty much says it all.  You've lost any shred of credibility to anyone with true maturity or intelligence.

    Most of my wardrobe is older than your relationship. You were in middle school at the time I was getting married. I'm glad that your first year of marriage has been good and that at 22/23 you feel like you have a lifetime of experience.  I hope that the next few years don't knock you around too much.   

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  • I find it funny this board is all about statistics yet they seem to ignore the ones about living together. I can't even tell you how many times I have seen people here tell couples they should live together before marriage, yet statistics show that couples who do so have a higher divorce rate. Yes it is true getting married young can lead to divorce but is it the cause? No especially in a day in age when over half of all marriages are ending anyway. It really has nothing to do with age in my opinion it has everything to do with the people. They say that if you can get past year 7 you are pretty well good to go because years 5-7 are the highest for divorce at any age. 

    I was never suggesting everyone go around telling young people to get married. But if someone has decided it is for them I think it is wrong for someone to talk them out of it based on age alone. It's not fair to stereotype like that. 

    I understand the idea behind what you're trying to say, but I also think it's extremely naive to think that age doesn't play a role in the divorce rate. Age can be the cause of divorce. I've seen it happen many, many times with the people around me. It's a stereotype for a reason.

    I was 22 when I got married. Out the people I know who got married around the same age that I did, more of them are divorced than still married by a fairly large margin. 
    I don't think that has as much to do with age today as it does with our culture. Our culture does not treat marriage with the respect it deserves. We live in a culture that is very anti marriage and where a divorce is as easy to pick up as a pizza. Divorce rate is high everywhere for everyone in this country.
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  • I find it funny this board is all about statistics yet they seem to ignore the ones about living together. I can't even tell you how many times I have seen people here tell couples they should live together before marriage, yet statistics show that couples who do so have a higher divorce rate. Yes it is true getting married young can lead to divorce but is it the cause? No especially in a day in age when over half of all marriages are ending anyway. It really has nothing to do with age in my opinion it has everything to do with the people. They say that if you can get past year 7 you are pretty well good to go because years 5-7 are the highest for divorce at any age. 

    I was never suggesting everyone go around telling young people to get married. But if someone has decided it is for them I think it is wrong for someone to talk them out of it based on age alone. It's not fair to stereotype like that. 

    I understand the idea behind what you're trying to say, but I also think it's extremely naive to think that age doesn't play a role in the divorce rate. Age can be the cause of divorce. I've seen it happen many, many times with the people around me. It's a stereotype for a reason.

    I was 22 when I got married. Out the people I know who got married around the same age that I did, more of them are divorced than still married by a fairly large margin. 
    I don't think that has as much to do with age today as it does with our culture. Our culture does not treat marriage with the respect it deserves. We live in a culture that is very anti marriage and where a divorce is as easy to pick up as a pizza. Divorce rate is high everywhere for everyone in this country.
    Statistics aside, no one principal applies to everyone. 

    I am so glad I lived ALOT before I married. I have learned what I will and will not put up with, my weaknesses, my strengths, what I need in a partner and what I am willing to give to another. 

    I agree that marriage is easily dissolved today, but it is up to those marrying to set out their guidelines and expectations. You can not apply your principals to some one else any more than they can apply theirs to you.

    Again, I love reading everyone's responses and points of view.

  • I find it funny this board is all about statistics yet they seem to ignore the ones about living together. I can't even tell you how many times I have seen people here tell couples they should live together before marriage, yet statistics show that couples who do so have a higher divorce rate. Yes it is true getting married young can lead to divorce but is it the cause? No especially in a day in age when over half of all marriages are ending anyway. It really has nothing to do with age in my opinion it has everything to do with the people. They say that if you can get past year 7 you are pretty well good to go because years 5-7 are the highest for divorce at any age. 

    I was never suggesting everyone go around telling young people to get married. But if someone has decided it is for them I think it is wrong for someone to talk them out of it based on age alone. It's not fair to stereotype like that. 

    I understand the idea behind what you're trying to say, but I also think it's extremely naive to think that age doesn't play a role in the divorce rate. Age can be the cause of divorce. I've seen it happen many, many times with the people around me. It's a stereotype for a reason.

    I was 22 when I got married. Out the people I know who got married around the same age that I did, more of them are divorced than still married by a fairly large margin. 
    I don't think that has as much to do with age today as it does with our culture. Our culture does not treat marriage with the respect it deserves. We live in a culture that is very anti marriage and where a divorce is as easy to pick up as a pizza. Divorce rate is high everywhere for everyone in this country.
    Yes, culture plays a large part. So does age. Divorce rates are higher for younger marriages. Young people tend to be more impressionable, because of their age and lack of life experience. Younger people are much more likely to make rash decisions without thinking them through properly, or without the life knowledge to realize their choices are mistakes.

    Like I said, I get what you're trying to say but you're coming across as naive. I'm glad that your marriage is working out, but that doesn't mean that getting married at a young age is a good idea for most people, and it doesn't mean that age (/maturity/life experience) doesn't play a major role in the downfall of many marriages. 
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  • So when I first came to this forum I very quickly left. I was immediately attacked and belittled for getting married young. And others in this forum were very vocal about being against young marriage. After 3 years of marriage I have come back to find that tone in this forum had toned down a bit. After 3 years of marriage I have learned a lot, but we are still going strong young or not we make it work. And love each other more than we did the day we got married. After all it is the last day that matters most not the first as our society often likes to think. I think young marriage comes down to the people involved it isn't for everyone, but it isn't horrible and off the table for everyone either. I have no regrets with my choice young marriage has it's pros and cons like anything else but for the most part we both can agree we enjoy being married over not. 

    Anyone else here who married young with success? 

    If you are newly married and young and have any questions please pm me I would love to chat, or you can ask questions in the comments below. =]
    I am in my early 20's and am living with and engaged to my wonderful FI.  We have been together for over 4 years and are each others' best friends.
    We have experienced the "real world".  I am currently in college and our wedding plans will not interfere with my education whatsoever.  We also don't plan on having kids, ever, so that's not an issue.  
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  • Here's the thing. Divorces happen not because of your age, but because 1) people who marry don't realize the commitment 2) people marry the wrong person 3) People who marry for the wrong reason 4) people give up


    The point you're missing is that all those reasons you have listed are far more likely to happen to you if you make that major decision at 20 when you are just starting to figure out who you are than if you do it at 40.  Again, I say this as someone who married young and has been very happy in my 13 year relationship.  But I recognize that I'm the exception, not the rule.  I am not the same person at 32 that I was at 22.  Neither is my husband.  We've been lucky in that we've managed to grow up together without much conflict but that is not always (or normally) the case.

    And anyone who uses the "people got married at 14 and stayed married for 50 years" argument is missing the point.  I don't consider no divorce = successful marriage.  I'd much rather have a successful divorce than stay in an unhappy marriage.  My parents divorced after 20 some years.  They didn't consider their relationship a failure.  They were happy for a long time and raised a family together.  They stayed friends after the divorce.  They just realized they were happier with other people than with each other. I consider that more of a success than staying with someone you don't love for 50 years just because you said you would.
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  • artbyallieartbyallie member
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    Kimbus22 said: moonprincessd said:
    Here's the thing. Divorces happen not because of your age, but because 1) people who marry don't realize the commitment 2) people marry the wrong person 3) People who marry for the wrong reason 4) people give up

    The point you're missing is that all those reasons you have listed are far more likely to happen to you if you make that major decision at 20 when you are just starting to figure out who you are than if you do it at 40.  Again, I say this as someone who married young and has been very happy in my 13 year relationship.  But I recognize that I'm the exception, not the rule.  I am not the same person at 32 that I was at 22.  Neither is my husband.  We've been lucky in that we've managed to grow up together without much conflict but that is not always (or normally) the case.

    And anyone who uses the "people got married at 14 and stayed married for 50 years" argument is missing the point.  I don't consider no divorce = successful marriage.  I'd much rather have a successful divorce than stay in an unhappy marriage.  My parents divorced after 20 some years.  They didn't consider their relationship a failure.  They were happy for a long time and raised a family together.  They stayed friends after the divorce.  They just realized they were happier with other people than with each other. I consider that more of a success than staying with someone you don't love for 50 years just because you said you would.



    An excellent point. Fewer people got divorced in previous decades more because of the stigma attached to it. Or, I should say, the stigma attached specifically to being a divorced
    woman because double standards. Women sucked it up and were miserable. No thank you. I certainly don't plan on divorcing, but I would if H suddenly morphed into a different person (cheater, druggie, what have you).
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    Remember back in the day, people married at 14! Their marriages lasted.

    I just want to say that I hate the above "argument." There are people today who are forced to marry at 8. And you know what? Most of them don't get divorced. Do you honestly think that's a good argument for marrying young? No. Their marriages "last" because they don't have any other option.

    Just 50 years ago, women couldn't find employment as easily as they can today, so unless they had family willing to take them in, divorce could be tantamount to homelessness or starvation.

    Not having the viable option to get a divorce is not an argument that the marriage was a great idea.

    There are plenty of better arguments you could use, so please table the "back in the day" sentiments, because they undermine anything else you might have to say.
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  • And it wasn't just the stigma attached to divorce - 70 years ago (heck, 30 years ago) women were expected to marry young and to be housewives.  Women weren't generally expected to or encouraged to go to college and have a career.  The fact that they didn't divorce wasn't because they were happy - it was because they had no option but to stay married.  They had no way to support themselves or their kids and no support from society.  Of course our culture has changed, and I'm pretty glad that it did.

    But make no mistake - things weren't "perfect" just because the divorce rate was lower.  People had affairs, people turned to alcohol and drugs, people were unhappy in their marriages. Yes, it's certainly an admirable accomplishment to stay married to the same person until death do you part, I'm sure it's the goal of most everyone who takes those vows.  But there's hardly anything admirable about staying in a marriage in which neither spouse wants to be in anymore.  God doesn't award you extra brownie points for living a miserable life upholding that vow. I feel sorry thinking of all those women who lived most of their lives miserable, trapped in their own homes, with husbands who they didn't love or who didn't love them. 

    Most people didn't get married at age 14 even 100 years ago.  But they did marry early because life expectancy was so much lower than it is now.  At age 20 your life was already almost half over then.  Not so much now. 

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  • Kimbus22 said:

    Here's the thing. Divorces happen not because of your age, but because 1) people who marry don't realize the commitment 2) people marry the wrong person 3) People who marry for the wrong reason 4) people give up


    The point you're missing is that all those reasons you have listed are far more likely to happen to you if you make that major decision at 20 when you are just starting to figure out who you are than if you do it at 40.  Again, I say this as someone who married young and has been very happy in my 13 year relationship.  But I recognize that I'm the exception, not the rule.  I am not the same person at 32 that I was at 22.  Neither is my husband.  We've been lucky in that we've managed to grow up together without much conflict but that is not always (or normally) the case.

    And anyone who uses the "people got married at 14 and stayed married for 50 years" argument is missing the point.  I don't consider no divorce = successful marriage.  I'd much rather have a successful divorce than stay in an unhappy marriage.  My parents divorced after 20 some years.  They didn't consider their relationship a failure.  They were happy for a long time and raised a family together.  They stayed friends after the divorce.  They just realized they were happier with other people than with each other. I consider that more of a success than staying with someone you don't love for 50 years just because you said you would.
    My grandma and grandpa were very much in love. They were not unhappy. Maybe they are an exception, maybe they weren't. It's easy to assume everyone was unhappy because divorces were low, but maybe it was because marriage had more value back then? People were more selective of their partners.. etc... 

    Everyone's different and that's that. 

    What I was getting at was that you can't pass on a stereotype or apparently what everyone is now calling a "rule". Not everyone is the same. It's like saying all 21 year olds get drunk and have one night stands, which certainly is not true. 

    Saying all people who marry young will end up divorced or have unhappy marriages is incorrect. Some do and some don't. That's all there is to it. 

    There are no "rules". There's no right way or wrong way to do things. Whatever works for one person might not for another. 

    And to say "I wasn't the same person back when...." well that just applies to you. That doesn't mean another person feels the same. Just because you think you changed so much in 10 years doesn't mean someone else does. 


  • Kimbus22 said:

    Here's the thing. Divorces happen not because of your age, but because 1) people who marry don't realize the commitment 2) people marry the wrong person 3) People who marry for the wrong reason 4) people give up


    The point you're missing is that all those reasons you have listed are far more likely to happen to you if you make that major decision at 20 when you are just starting to figure out who you are than if you do it at 40.  Again, I say this as someone who married young and has been very happy in my 13 year relationship.  But I recognize that I'm the exception, not the rule.  I am not the same person at 32 that I was at 22.  Neither is my husband.  We've been lucky in that we've managed to grow up together without much conflict but that is not always (or normally) the case.

    And anyone who uses the "people got married at 14 and stayed married for 50 years" argument is missing the point.  I don't consider no divorce = successful marriage.  I'd much rather have a successful divorce than stay in an unhappy marriage.  My parents divorced after 20 some years.  They didn't consider their relationship a failure.  They were happy for a long time and raised a family together.  They stayed friends after the divorce.  They just realized they were happier with other people than with each other. I consider that more of a success than staying with someone you don't love for 50 years just because you said you would.
    My grandma and grandpa were very much in love. They were not unhappy. Maybe they are an exception, maybe they weren't. It's easy to assume everyone was unhappy because divorces were low, but maybe it was because marriage had more value back then? People were more selective of their partners.. etc... 

    Everyone's different and that's that. 

    What I was getting at was that you can't pass on a stereotype or apparently what everyone is now calling a "rule". Not everyone is the same. It's like saying all 21 year olds get drunk and have one night stands, which certainly is not true. 

    Saying all people who marry young will end up divorced or have unhappy marriages is incorrect. Some do and some don't. That's all there is to it. 

    There are no "rules". There's no right way or wrong way to do things. Whatever works for one person might not for another. 

    And to say "I wasn't the same person back when...." well that just applies to you. That doesn't mean another person feels the same. Just because you think you changed so much in 10 years doesn't mean someone else does. 

    Quote who said the bolded in this thread, won't you please? I seem to have missed that.
  • My grandma and grandpa were very much in love. They were not unhappy. Maybe they are an exception, maybe they weren't. It's easy to assume everyone was unhappy because divorces were low, but maybe it was because marriage had more value back then? People were more selective of their partners.. etc... 
    I also believe that more marriages worked back when divorces were low (I'm sure some were terrible, but I doubt that was the majority). I don't think people were more selective with their partners though, I just think they were less picky. I think people had lower (maybe just different) expectations of marriage, it was about finding companionship and a partner who would support you, generally in either a housekeeping/childrearing or a provider role.

    I think people today want a lot more from marriage and some of it is ill-defined and some of it is unrealistic. People marry expecting undying fairytale love and find that it doesn't hold up well when you still need to divide up housekeeping and providing.

    Coming back on topic, I think young people are *more likely* (not guaranteed) to have unrealistic expectations and less idea of what they really want from life, so are more likely to be dissatisfied with what they end up with if they rush into a commitment.

  • Kimbus22 said:

    Here's the thing. Divorces happen not because of your age, but because 1) people who marry don't realize the commitment 2) people marry the wrong person 3) People who marry for the wrong reason 4) people give up


    The point you're missing is that all those reasons you have listed are far more likely to happen to you if you make that major decision at 20 when you are just starting to figure out who you are than if you do it at 40.  Again, I say this as someone who married young and has been very happy in my 13 year relationship.  But I recognize that I'm the exception, not the rule.  I am not the same person at 32 that I was at 22.  Neither is my husband.  We've been lucky in that we've managed to grow up together without much conflict but that is not always (or normally) the case.

    And anyone who uses the "people got married at 14 and stayed married for 50 years" argument is missing the point.  I don't consider no divorce = successful marriage.  I'd much rather have a successful divorce than stay in an unhappy marriage.  My parents divorced after 20 some years.  They didn't consider their relationship a failure.  They were happy for a long time and raised a family together.  They stayed friends after the divorce.  They just realized they were happier with other people than with each other. I consider that more of a success than staying with someone you don't love for 50 years just because you said you would.
    My grandma and grandpa were very much in love. They were not unhappy. Maybe they are an exception, maybe they weren't. It's easy to assume everyone was unhappy because divorces were low, but maybe it was because marriage had more value back then? People were more selective of their partners.. etc... 

    Everyone's different and that's that. 

    What I was getting at was that you can't pass on a stereotype or apparently what everyone is now calling a "rule". Not everyone is the same. It's like saying all 21 year olds get drunk and have one night stands, which certainly is not true. 

    Saying all people who marry young will end up divorced or have unhappy marriages is incorrect. Some do and some don't. That's all there is to it. 

    There are no "rules". There's no right way or wrong way to do things. Whatever works for one person might not for another. 

    And to say "I wasn't the same person back when...." well that just applies to you. That doesn't mean another person feels the same. Just because you think you changed so much in 10 years doesn't mean someone else does. 

    1. Who said that?  No one said that.

    2.  I certainly hope you're not the same person in 10 years that you are now.  The goal of life is to grow and change, not decide who you are as at 20 years old and be determined to stay that way.  If you haven't changed in 10 years of living, you're missing the point of what life has to offer.
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  • Okay, age argument aside here, we should all be wary of romanticizing the past. Tons of women of our grandmother's and mother's generations got married because they were pregnant, plain and simple. Is your grandma going to admit that? Maybe not. My grandmothers both admitted it later when they realized no one in the family was going to judge them for it. Both of them were 16, and anything other than getting married was not an option. One of them still couldn't handle telling her son (who is 65) that she was pregnant with him when she got married, so instead she lied about her wedding date for years and years. (So he wouldn't do the math and realize he was born just a few months after the wedding.) There are all kinds of secrets in the past, and none of us have any way of knowing if our grandparents were truly happy, since we weren't there to witness everything.
  • Okay, age argument aside here, we should all be wary of romanticizing the past. Tons of women of our grandmother's and mother's generations got married because they were pregnant, plain and simple. Is your grandma going to admit that? Maybe not. My grandmothers both admitted it later when they realized no one in the family was going to judge them for it. Both of them were 16, and anything other than getting married was not an option. One of them still couldn't handle telling her son (who is 65) that she was pregnant with him when she got married, so instead she lied about her wedding date for years and years. (So he wouldn't do the math and realize he was born just a few months after the wedding.) There are all kinds of secrets in the past, and none of us have any way of knowing if our grandparents were truly happy, since we weren't there to witness everything.
    Amen! Even thinking people in the good old days were more selective in who they married is ridiculous. People married young because they had no choice. It was the social norm. It was not because they were capable of making better long term decisions than people now.
    My grandparents were miserable. They married because my grandma was pregnant (which she didn't ever really admit). They had more kids than they could afford, or reasonably take care of, and were horrible to them. Those kids grew up in terrible poverty literally wondering when they would be fed next. Most of the kids would never admit this and I'm pretty sure my cousins would say how in love they were and how wonderful their marriage was. That is not the case. 
    I'm sure some people of the time were happy, but the good old days really weren't so good. I will gladly keep my ability to live my life as I choose without most people really caring what I'm up to.
  • I find it funny this board is all about statistics yet they seem to ignore the ones about living together. I can't even tell you how many times I have seen people here tell couples they should live together before marriage, yet statistics show that couples who do so have a higher divorce rate. Yes it is true getting married young can lead to divorce but is it the cause? No especially in a day in age when over half of all marriages are ending anyway. It really has nothing to do with age in my opinion it has everything to do with the people. They say that if you can get past year 7 you are pretty well good to go because years 5-7 are the highest for divorce at any age. 

    I was never suggesting everyone go around telling young people to get married. But if someone has decided it is for them I think it is wrong for someone to talk them out of it based on age alone. It's not fair to stereotype like that. 

    I honestly could not have worded this better. Someone should seriously be paying you for your words just now. I've been trying to think that up every time someone asks about why I'm getting married so young. Thanks for the help:)
  • DH and I met when I was 17, he was 18.  We were engaged at 20, married at 22 and had our first child at 23.  Now we are both 30 still happily married.  3 little boys and TTC baby #4.  Age is not a determination of love.
  • We weren't young when we got married, but that's simply because we didn't meet each other in high school, or some young age like that.  I don't believe that age determines success in marriage.  You have to realize that no matter what age you get married, you will continue to learn and change as a person- whether you get married at 18 or 50.  I think the difference comes in when those18 year olds don't realize they will change, and don't always find the person who will hopefully grow and change in the way that will continue to be compatible with them. Someone who is older has hopefully learned this and found someone who will grow with them.  I feel that my husband and I have a relationship that is conducive to growing and changing together.
  • H and I were 27 and 25 when we got married, so not as young as some in this discussion, but we were both tthe first out of most our friends to get married. even now, 2 years later we're different people than we were 2 years ago, fortunately that seems to be for the better. 

    My parents got married at 23, and though 35 years later they are still very happy, my mom and I had several discussions about if getting married at 25 was something I really wanted to do. and I thank her for that, and I imagine that if I had a child wanting to get married in their mid-twenties I'd have the same discussion with them. I'm different than I was at 21 when I met H, at 23 when I said I'd marry him, and at 25 when I did marry him...and at 21, 23, or 25 I couldn't have imagined how different things would be...seeing how much I changed in those 6 years makes it easier to believe that things will change a lot more by the time I hit my mid-30's. 

    It's a fact of life, and science that age is very important to maturity. (seriously, your brain doesn't fully develop until you're in your mid-twenties)
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    I find it funny this board is all about statistics yet they seem to ignore the ones about living together. I can't even tell you how many times I have seen people here tell couples they should live together before marriage, yet statistics show that couples who do so have a higher divorce rate. Yes it is true getting married young can lead to divorce but is it the cause? No especially in a day in age when over half of all marriages are ending anyway. It really has nothing to do with age in my opinion it has everything to do with the people. They say that if you can get past year 7 you are pretty well good to go because years 5-7 are the highest for divorce at any age. 

    I was never suggesting everyone go around telling young people to get married. But if someone has decided it is for them I think it is wrong for someone to talk them out of it based on age alone. It's not fair to stereotype like that. 

    I honestly could not have worded this better. Someone should seriously be paying you for your words just now. I've been trying to think that up every time someone asks about why I'm getting married so young. Thanks for the help:)
    No, this is quite misguided. Thorough peer reviewed studies have shown that cohabitation before marriage is only negative if intentional commitment is not there (ie people drift into it).
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    I find it funny this board is all about statistics yet they seem to ignore the ones about living together. I can't even tell you how many times I have seen people here tell couples they should live together before marriage, yet statistics show that couples who do so have a higher divorce rate. Yes it is true getting married young can lead to divorce but is it the cause? No especially in a day in age when over half of all marriages are ending anyway. It really has nothing to do with age in my opinion it has everything to do with the people. They say that if you can get past year 7 you are pretty well good to go because years 5-7 are the highest for divorce at any age. 

    I was never suggesting everyone go around telling young people to get married. But if someone has decided it is for them I think it is wrong for someone to talk them out of it based on age alone. It's not fair to stereotype like that. 

    Ha! Yes! Where have you seen these statistics, I'd like to have a look. DH thought we should move in before we got married, but I told him no, and here's why:
    All my aunts and uncles - and a few cousins - lived together before they got married. Each one of them has gotten divorced. My parents and grandparents did not live together prior to marriage, and they're still going strong. Poo poo me if you want, but that's not a coincidence in my eyes. 
  • schuette2 said:
    I find it funny this board is all about statistics yet they seem to ignore the ones about living together. I can't even tell you how many times I have seen people here tell couples they should live together before marriage, yet statistics show that couples who do so have a higher divorce rate. Yes it is true getting married young can lead to divorce but is it the cause? No especially in a day in age when over half of all marriages are ending anyway. It really has nothing to do with age in my opinion it has everything to do with the people. They say that if you can get past year 7 you are pretty well good to go because years 5-7 are the highest for divorce at any age. 

    I was never suggesting everyone go around telling young people to get married. But if someone has decided it is for them I think it is wrong for someone to talk them out of it based on age alone. It's not fair to stereotype like that. 

    Ha! Yes! Where have you seen these statistics, I'd like to have a look. DH thought we should move in before we got married, but I told him no, and here's why:
    All my aunts and uncles - and a few cousins - lived together before they got married. Each one of them has gotten divorced. My parents and grandparents did not live together prior to marriage, and they're still going strong. Poo poo me if you want, but that's not a coincidence in my eyes. 
    Correlation =/= causation.
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