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Re: Possibly Flameful: I think the Duggars are selfish, irresponsible jackasses
Sorry but I can't make it untrue. Sometimes the truth hurts. There is a higher risk if you are older. There is a higher risk if you have kids close together. If you choose to take that risk fine but you need to own your choices. But don't stick your head in the sand and pretend the risk isn't there.
Ditto. The Quiverfull movement is dangerous and cultish, and I don't see how they "mean well" at all.
They aren't claiming that that there's a "problem with BC." They chose to use BC; now they choose not to use BC. These people have never said that they have any problem with the concept of medicine or medical intervention. So, I can't see any hypocrisy in them saying that they forego bc and leave it up to God. Not that they couldn't use it or God condemns it, but they choose not to. If they were saying God condemns use of BC but c-secs are fine, then you may have a point.
There is little question that advanced maternal age, high birth order and less than optimal birth spacing all create risk for both mother and child.
There are truckloads of data that substantiate this.
That doesn't mean, however that a woman who chooses to have two children in close succession, have a large number of children or have children after 40 is necessarily at fault if something goes wrong. Being in a high-risk group means you should consider the risk when making decisions, but it doesn't mean you should always decide that the correct answer is "no."
She finds the time and energy because she doesn't really raise her children. The older kids are responsible for the younger ones through a "buddy system". On one of the shows (or maybe their website) she says that she keeps the youngest with her for 6 months then he/she is assigned to one of the older ones.
They live debt free apparently because they have rental properties and a car dealership or two in their hometown, plus they buy everything second hand ("Buy used and save the difference!" - Jim Bob) and they shop for groceries at Aldi's. Plus they make a lot of meals like tatertot casseroles and some crazy dessert involving ice cream sandwiches and spray whipped cream.
I know too much about these people because I lurk on the TWOP board. And I read their book.
TLC is in it for nothing more than the ratings. People want to watch the Duggars. Beg to watch the Duggars, they love them, they hate them, but they still watch.
What do you think would happen to the show if TLC edited a show to make the Duggars look bad? No more Duggars, no more specials, no more ratings.
I agree with this. Just like the obese and smokers and others who put themselves at risk with behavioral and lifestyle choices, women who are in high risk groups who have children anyway deserve top quality care.
My mom says she saw an interview with Michelle that supports this - that part of the purpose of the show is to spread their faith. I dn if that equals being cultish though.....
also - something else my mother claims (she really likes the duggars....) is that they don't pay taxes. They use their house as their church and so don't have to pay taxes bc they are a religious institution. Anyone have any idea if this is true?
I've heard this as well. I'd have to go back and look. They claim the kids as a congregation.
I've watched a couple episodes and I feel bad for the kids (yeah, kill me.)
It's one thing to have never owned a new pair of shoes because your parents are struggling to put food on the table. It's quite another to wear hand me downs and shiit from the goodwill because your parents would rather have more babies.
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Yeah, kids NEED new Abercrombie & Fitch stuff.
I think the entire family acts brain washed by Jim Bob and it's a bit creepy. He clearly loves his family and means well, but not a single one of them ever have even the slightest difference of opion. I hope God did not intend for one of those girls to be the one who discovers for the cure for AIDS or Cancer, ain't gonna happen, The destiny for those girls according to Jim Bob is to produce lots of babies and be a loving and obedient wife. Period.
no, but new Target shoes once in a while might be nice. You know, wearing something not molded to someone else's foot.
I agree with your first sentence, but they love to make people look bad (see Gosselins). Maybe the Duggars would leave, but the audience would not. I don't see it as making their religion look good, that was all.
I think you should only make the claim "having a child is in God's hands" if you really and truly believe it, in that God also has the choice to take away your unborn child, as well. Odds are God would have taken at least one of those CS kids, and possibly her as well, if medicine was not available...who are they to judge that God wants them to make use of the one medical intervention and the use of free will in the case of birth, but not conception? (Zips up flame suit) They seem to think God has the choice to give but not take away, which tragically is also reflected in their reaction to the mc. I genuinely wish that they would've truly believed in God's will there, too, rather than blaming themselves or bc and starting this entire...whatever the heck it is.
From what I understand, they have made the Gosslins look good. I know people who have been on the show, and the stories they have about what actually happened while they were there seem to me to show that TLC edits to make them look better.
DO NOT TWIST MY WORDS.
I never said it, I'd never imply it. I grew up a military brat and my children are growing up similarly. If I thought kids needed new A&F or A&F at all (racists body dysmorphic contributing assbag of a company) I wouldn't have kids.
But a pair of shoes from payless? Hells yes. That would be incredibly nice. I mean hell, I remember wrapping my feet in shopping bags before sticking them in my sneakers because my mama couldn't afford school shoes, dress shoes and boots.
Sorry for the tangent, ladies.
No, I don't think kids need all new things, especially not from upscale retailers. But I do think you are an irresponsible parent when you keep procreating instead of buying your kid a pair of brand new well fitting sneakers from the walmart end cap.
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Well then that is because of the Duggars, it seems, and not their religion.
The post title does not indicate SB thinks it's "fine" for the Duggars to choose to take that risk. Clearly people think they are irresponsible for doing so.
And once again, I've seen no evidence to suggest that this premature birth had anything to do with risks taken by higher # of pregnancies.
I am very late to this thread (dang work got in the way) but I think it is very inappropriate to think that anything Michelle Duggar did give birth to this child so early.
Both of my girls were born prematurely. (I was 24 weeks pg with my oldest when I thought I simply had the flu. . .body aches but when I went to the OB he discovered I was 4 cm dialated and he could touch my bag of water.)There was no warning, no previous problems with this pregnancy, nothing to suspect this might happen. We were able to get to the hospital and he did an amazing job putting in an emergency cerclage and I carried her until 32 weeks when my water broke. My youngest was taken at 33 weeks because she stopped growing and my OB was very afraid that my uterus was going to rupture-which would have most likely killed both of us. She was also born with a neurological disorder that to this day has no known cause.
You can judge their lifestyle if you want but do not judge her and think that she did something to bring Josie into this world 15 weeks early. Josie has a LONG road ahead of her and many obstacles to overcome.
Yes statistics show that premature births are higher in teen moms and moms of advanced maternal age. Premature births are also higher in those who do not get prenatal care and African Americans.
*stepping off my very emotional soapbox*
The people who refuse to take their kids to the hospital or otherwise administer medical care bc 'God doesnt want then to' also mean well I presume. They are still puting thier children in harms way.
I certainly advocate for religious tolerance but ONLY when you arent hurting others! These people are hurting/abusing their children with their beliefs.
And good God-I never said Michelle 'deserved' this. Who would say something like that? But I DO find her responsible somewhat (and yes I admit my original post was strongly worded-perhaps offensively so) when she doctor shops for a Dr. who will agree with her, and doesn't use BC (There are other contraceptives available besides the pill-you guys know that right?) and risks getting PG again so soon after being TOLD by medical professionals that she may risk her health and the health of the baby. THAT is my issue.
So flame away-but these kids are being abused, and I say the preemie wouldnt have been in this situation (IN THIS CASE ONLY!) if the mother had listened to her Dr.
Those of you who have had m/c, preemis: I am so sorry for what you went through, and I was in no way comparing you to Michelle. Clearly, these are vastly different scenarios.
There is so so SO much ASSumption going on here. How do you know this is what happened?
Considering someone on this board lost her baby due to gallbladder surgery, I don't think you can say with any certainty they are "vastly different" scenarios.
Well, another poster has already pointed out the bit about the Dr. Did you see those posts?
I think the point that you are missing is that having children in general is risky. There is no such thing as no risk involved. It is a slippery slope to try to put arbitrary stops along the road in determining what is too much risk for someone else to take.
You called it!
Yup. Sounds like a bunch of unsubstantiated gossip to me.
You called it!
(1) What a great dress
(2) It ain't over yet!!!
Thanks! I loved my dress.