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Re: Probably flammable, but I want to ask anyways
I say that because that's how he was introduced to me. Jesus no last name could be any number of males from Mexico. I don't believe he is Christ, that there is a Christ, whatever. I've just heard "Jesus Christ" as a unit so much that I use it that way, too. I'm not going to say "Jesus that some refer to as Christ" or some other such clunky thing. Finding this "funny" sounds a lot to me like someone finding it funny that non-Christians celebrate Christmas.
You're being intentionally obtuse here, yes?
bridey - you can count on Irish Catholics being the worst in almost every sense, although my personal favorites aren't the profane (per se) words. They use "sh*te" instead of "sh*t" and "feck" instead of the F bomb. Because, you know, somehow these are (1) less offensive; and (2) apparently idiotic children won't understand what their parents are saying. Riiiiight.
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One of my closest friends is Irish Catholic and is exactly as you describe. I always laugh a little thinking of her in face to face confession with Fr. Tony.
I plan to be drinking in a parking lot and eating tube-shaped meat in a few hours. Fasting schmasting!
Also, ITA with copz that no one gets to dictate what AW finds offensive. I know that this board, as a community, does have certain boundaries, which I think we demonstrated when we roundly criticized the adamshusband AE. The quasi-family atmostphere is probably the main reason I keep coming back here.
Nevertheless, the internet is truly the wild west and chock full of offensiveness, and while I think that respect can be shown where known sensitivities are involved (for example, by refraining from intentional use of knowingly offensive terms in conversations with AW), I cannot go down the path of seeking to impose limitations on language or expression. And to be clear, I don't think anyone in this thread is asking for that, or at least I hope not.
LMAO! You are crazy.
(The first thing I typed was "good lord you are ridiculous" but had to delete so as not to offend! ywia!)
I guess I've never really thought about the night before. It makes me feel like an idiot for complaining this morning about not getting good sleep because the baby was up so much. I can't imagine what Jesus must have been going through. I like to think He would have been given a good night of sleep at least.
As a non-Christian you would think it wouldn't bother me at all, but I actually find it more grating and hostile than a lot of four-letter words. I wouldn't say it's an expression I never use, but it's rare. So I was a little surprised when it was used towards me yesterday.
I'm referring to JC or JFC, not OMG. I don't find OMG offensive at all.
I think intent has a lot to do with it. I recognize that most people don't use these words witht he intent of dishonoring God's name.
In my house I don't allow my children to use gosh or other substitutes for the real word, because I feel like the intent is the same. But it's probably hyprocritical of me because I will say "Oh my goodness" or "For Pete's sake" instead of the other.
I agree. I don't know how often I do it, and I can't say that I will stop, but I definitely don't begrudge anyone the right to feel however they want about something, and to bring something up that bothers them.
Is "good lord you're ridiculous" taking the lord's name in vain? It's got "good" right in there!
I feel like I need a chart or something.
I'm not saying that in earthly terms I don't have a certain hierarchy of sin. I recognize that murder is much worse than blashpemy in terms of earthly consequences and that earthly punishments should reflect that.
But I can't argue with the fact that the Bible says that in God's eyes using the Lord's name in vain is the same thing as any other sin. Sin is sin to Him.
I'm sorry AW, I completely understand that you find those phrases offensive. That's totally your right. But I'm kind of pissed off that you equate JC or JFC or OMG with the n-word. Seriously. Like, I don't get pissed about stuff like that very often, and I lost my personal race card somewhere around the 3rd grade but yeah. That's just...yeah. WTF.
ETA: I see Pixy added that one on. So if you weren't intending that then I take it back.
Every person probably has a different understanding of what it means, but to me, using the name of God (which includes Jesus and the Holy Spirit) in any way other than addressing them by name is sinful. If I am talking about God, Jesus or the Holy Spirit, it is OK to refer to them by name. If I am using their name as an expletive or anything else, it is wrong (so what you posted above would be using His name in vain).
But if you ask someone even more conservative, they might say that even writing the word God or Jesus out would be using it in vain. This is why some Jews and Christians will write it G-d or YHWH.
Insert blushy face.
I can't say I use it a lot here, but I know I do IRL. As with LOTS of things in religion, I'm self-deprecating and I have total blinders as to how that makes others feel.
I'm guessing the dancing Christ on a cracker gif isn't a favorite of yours AW?
I'll get my head out of my a and try to be more aware.
In this day I don't see any reason to use the n-word unless it is in a hateful context. The words gay and retarded are still an acceptable part of the vernacular in many areas, so I think that there ARE people who use those words without ill intent. Within a few decades I have a feeling gay and retarded will be viewed as offensive across the board and no longer be acceptable anywhere, just like the n-word.
But I think that using God's name is similar to saying those words that are still a aprt of the vernacular to many. We don't view them as offensive because our intent isn't ill. But I hope that in the future it will be wiped from people's vocabulary through political correctness. It just doesn't make sense to see the same people using a known offensive word on here throwing hissy fits when someone says retarded.
Offensive because it's offensive (that someone would use the name of someone so special to me that way).
i'm confused here. taking the lord's name in vain is a sin--so if you're not the one doing it, why is it so offensive to you? is the concern you have for the speaker because they're a sinner? is it that you feel some sort of grody sin by association because it's being said in your presence? unlike your other examples, as people have pointed out, it's not being used as an epithet so i'm not sure why, say, me using it would be offensive to you, rather than you just thinking "wow, well, she's going to burn in hell."
i admit that it's rather uncouth and i wouldn't do it a dinner party or in church (nor would i use "ain't" or "y'all" or a valley girl "what-EVER" in those situations), but i'm trying to suss out the source of the offense.
This I very, very strongly disagree with. So people should not be able to use words because certain other people might find them offensive or sinful? When is the line drawn? You have a right to think I'm a crass tool for saying JFC but you shouldn't have a right to keep me from saying JFC because you find it offensive.
I hate when someone calls someone else a f*g. With a passion. And if I hear somebody say it, I'm going to think they're ignorant, backward jackoffs. But I'm not going to demand that the word be made illegal, or that it be wiped from the face of the earth.
First of all, let me say that this comes down to a personal belief for me. A belief that saying "Jesus f*cking Christ almighty!" is a delightful expression and one that I am never going to give up. I'm so terribly sorry that my personal beliefs have offended you so.
Since I can easily see where you're coming from (nearly all of your personal beliefs offend me), may I suggest that you stop posting about your views on homosexuality, faith, and gender roles that are all based on your ridiculous interpretations of the Bible? I will then keep my personal beliefs off the board. This seems like the easiest way for us to both stop being offended. Deal?
Who "me?"
I think it's anytime you use the lord's name when you're not actually addressing Him at all. I always thought it referred to the frivolous as well as the profane.
This is why I initially started questioning and eventually became an atheist.
I thinnk it's because it's like someone swearing on your mother's name (or someone who you love very much, hold in high esteem). Wouldn't you be offended by that?
Ha, my mom used to get mad when we said "Jeez" - or is it "Geez'? We had no clue when we said it that it could be considered shorthand for Jesus. I think we thought it was like a combination of Gee and Sheesh!
Trust Mom to tip her hand where the good swears lie. We also got yelled at for 'friggin' when we had absolutely no idea what it meant.
It's just so abrasive. I guess you wouldn't understand unless you have belief that Jesus is your Savior. To me, if I knew that there was this name that is revered within a culture - like Buddha, for example - I wouldn't go around saying "effingBuddha" as an expression to show disgust or anger in public because I know that it would potentially upset people who revere him. I guess it's a respect thing more than anything.
I respect gay people enough not to use the word "gay" in a negative way. I respect people with disabilities enough not to use "retarded" to say something is stupid. I guess it makes sense to me that others should respect Christians (or anyone else believing in God that finds the use of His name this way offensive) enough not to say it in public.
So a child telling a fib to stay out of trouble is equal to me hitting my thumb with a hammer and saying "JESUS CHRIST THAT HURT" is equal to George Zimmerman shooting Trayvon Martin dead in the street? Really?
People wonder why church attendance is at an all-time low. Because beliefs like this make absolutely zero sense.
If this is what you teach your children, I'd love to see all the sins they'll be up for when they finally get to go away to college.