Probably flammable, but I want to ask anyways

+adamwife+ · April 2012

mxolisi:
+adamwife+:

2Vermont:
Oh my.....289 posts? I'm afraid to delve into this....

Don't bother. It's more "martyr", "judgment", and "you think your beliefs are more important than mine" stuff.

ETA - Except that there are several posts from people who showed how they care for people who are offended and I think it may be worth you reading, 2V, to see what they wrote.

Basically I'm trying to tell people how to live. People have the right to be offensive. People can still be understanding and offend people (apparently).

And that's a wrap.

He is Risen! Happy Easter to everyone!

Yea only the posts agreeing with the OP are worth reading here. Certainly no one else has said anything valid or of value unless they have commited to behavior change including those who never really engaged in said behavior to begin with.

I'm sorry for saying that. I did find value in some of the posts disagreeing with me. I just doubt that 2V is going to want to dig through the offensive ones in order to find them.

Once again, I apologize for saying that there wasn't value in the differing opinions. I did learn something from them.

Nerdicorns · April 2012

smock.smock:
+adamwife+:
I think that ANYONE who decides to engage in a behavior that they KNOW offends someone else is being rude. Period.
I don't see how we can possibly discuss anything related to politics, religion, or a thousand other topics on this board if we can't say things that offend other people for fear of being rude.
For example, I'm deeply offended when anyone says women should submit to men simply because they are women or "because it says so in the Bible." (note: if it's "this is what works for us" or some other not-across-the-board policy of submission, that's different.) I find that incredibly sexist and offensive. But if that's YOUR opinion, should I tell you never to mention it on the board for fear of being rude?

Similarly, I know a lot of anti-theists who find the mere existance of religion to be offensive. Is it rude for anyone to be "out" about their religion when there are definitely people in the world who are in fact offended at the mere existance of Christians, Muslims, or any other religious faction?

LaurierGirl28 · April 2012

mxolisi:
UsedToBeGoldie:
Holy shiznizzle - are there really THIS many pages to this post???
She's offended by it - period... nobody can change how she feels... but people CAN try not to use the words as much or at all, to be considerate... as others try not to use gay, retarded, etc - knowing it upsets people. Doesn't matter how YOU compare the use of the words... the fact is that it offends her. Do you have to change b/c of it? Of course not - but she IS a member of this board... yet, so many seem to think she doesn't deserve the respect others get... b/c she's on the right?
hypocrites... "care about others" philosophy... except when the others are in another political party.
Given what you've stated above, does this mean you will stop stating your opinions on the people of Mexico given that many regulars on this board have told you that they are not only misinformed but also personally offensive? To be considerate and all?

I was hoping someone would point this out.

Also, Goldie - I would probably agree with you IRL that you would be mindful of the beliefs of those whom you are speaking with. But on a public message board?? It would be impossible to refrain from using terms that offend people. IMPOSSIBLE.

MarynJoe · April 2012

FWIW, I never really did say JFC, JC, or GDit. They bothered me, but no big deal. After becoming a Christian, it changed. Now, I wince when I hear them. Those words really hit a deep place in me that disturbs and offends me. That doesn't mean you have to be a Christian to understand, but maybe the way you react to the words just changes.

+adamwife+ · April 2012

smock.smock:

+adamwife+:
I think that ANYONE who decides to engage in a behavior that they KNOW offends someone else is being rude. Period.

I don't see how we can possibly discuss anything related to politics, religion, or a thousand other topics on this board if we can't say things that offend other people for fear of being rude.

For example, I'm deeply offended when anyone says women should submit to men simply because they are women or "because it says so in the Bible." (note: if it's "this is what works for us" or some other not-across-the-board policy of submission, that's different.) I find that incredibly sexist and offensive. But if that's YOUR opinion, should I tell you never to mention it on the board for fear of being rude?

I said this before in the thread, so I'm totally repeating myself. I think there is a difference between being offended by someone's opinion and being offended by the way in which someone expresses their opinion. I may be offended by someone telling me they think religion is a waste of time or that believing in God shows you lack critical thinking skills. But I think it's their right to express that opinion. That's different from someone calling me speicifcally a moron or saying that effing religion or J_____effing C________, is a waste of time. That's an offensive way to express their opinion.

So if I ever say something in a way that is offensive, please tell me and I will refrain from saying it in that way in the future. There are other ways for me to express myself that may not be offensive. If it's my faith that offends you, I probably am not going to refrain from talking about it. There aren't alternative ways to discuss my faith.

(I should add that I hope when I have discussed my views on Biblical submission in the past, I have made it clear that I only apply those beliefs to my own marriage. I didn't know if your taking offense to those ideas was directed at me or not.)

smock.smock · April 2012

LaurierGirl28:
Also, Goldie - I would probably agree with you IRL that you would be mindful of the beliefs of those whom you are speaking with. But on a public message board?? It would be impossible to refrain from using terms that offend people. IMPOSSIBLE.

Don't use the "I-word!" Nothing is impossible if you BELIEEEEVE!!!!

SMorriso · April 2012

srs5624:
SMorriso:
srs5624:
+adamwife+:
LucyHoneychrrch:

And once again, I'm not saying that the words should be banned, like you keep saying. By all means, use the words if you feel you won't get your point across without them. Just own the rudeness.

But AW, you're NOT just discussing this to discuss it. You're making judgments about people who don't feel the same way you do. It's not just that you think people don't understand; you think they're d!cks if they don't decide to curb their tongues around everyone.

I think that ANYONE who decides to engage in a behavior that they KNOW offends someone else is being rude. Period.

Ok.

Bible-thumpers who try to push their beliefs on others offend me.

Do you understand?

AW is actually really really good about not doing this. She often says, multiple times over, "my faith" "my beliefs on this..." She doesn't say, you're all idiots for not believing what I believe. Which is a heckuva lot better than what she's gotten in this thread by those bucking her about finding using JFC offensive.

Yet, there's still 10 pages of "but this is what I believe. You guys are obviously rude if you don't respect my beliefs enough to stop saying OMG and JFC."

Yet, she still disagrees without throwing low blows or mocking her beliefs. Half of her posts are explaining why she finds it offensive, and then having to defend where she's coming from. If believing in Jesus was like a freaking fairy tale, you'd think it be a little happier than this thread.

People are disagreeing with her up and down in this post. Some are doing it with respect because, despite her flameful beliefs, aw still managed to maintain respect. When she does offend, she apologizes.

Also, by definition, she's right about it being rude. Whether you care or not is a whole 'nother subject.

NuggetBrain · April 2012

+adamwife+:
taratru:

AW, is a change in behavior the only way to show understanding of an idea or concept?

I think it depends on what you are trying to understand. I think part of understanding is realizing the implication.

If someone were to tell me it is hurtful for me to have a picture of my baby in my signature because they just lost their baby, I'm not sure how I could understand what they are saying and continue to keep the picture in my signature. I could say I understand, but don't care enough about the person to remove it, but to me that shows a lack of understanding. I may be understanding it intellectually, but there is an emotional component that I must not be getting. Unless of course I lack certain things, like empathy, or am a sociopath who enjoys causing others pain.

That isn't the same thing as someone using the Lord's name in vain. Just as example to show how understanding, IMO, goes beyond just the intellectual.

Like I said above, I recognize that there are people who intellectually understand and just don't care about the implications. But I don't define those people as "understanding". Does that make sense?

Are you f*cking serious??? I just can't even....ugh. I'm out.

DruidPrincess · April 2012

I just can't get on board with a mentality that hopes people around me walk on eggshells to avoid offending me.

If I don't like it, I don't hang around. Period. I can pray for that person, and if they say something to me personally and repeatedly (which would imply I have some sort of repetitive relationship with said person) that deeply offends me, I can either reduce or eliminate exposure, or voice my feelings. Oh, and I can pray to God that He changes their hearts to in turn change their behavior. Beyond that - I have no control over another person's actions or words. None.

I like this message board, and others like it. I like Twitter. I like Facebook. If someone repeatedly says something I just can't tolerate, I can block that person OR remove myself from that forum altogether to totally avoid any exposure. And while that last might be a solid choice for some, I personally choose to not take it to that extreme.

Last thing: I'm pretty sure Jesus must have heard/seen things that offended him deeply. Didn't stop him from being a personal and ultimately sacrificial dude for those who were the offenders.

BannedDumpsterBaby · April 2012

Hey, guys, I'm not saying you're all sociopaths, but...

Jesus Christ.

TefLepOM · April 2012

pinkeggs:
+adamwife+:
2Vermont:
Oh my.....289 posts? I'm afraid to delve into this....

Don't bother. It's more "martyr", "judgment", and "you think your beliefs are more important than mine" stuff.

ETA - Except that there are several posts from people who showed how they care for people who are offended and I think it may be worth you reading, 2V, to see what they wrote.

Basically I'm trying to tell people how to live. People have the right to be offensive. People can still be understanding and offend people (apparently).

And that's a wrap.

He is Risen! Happy Easter to everyone!
I'm sorry that that is what you took from it, and I am sorry that you got frustrated. I would encourage you to remember that you are shown a LOT more tolerance and respect on here than some others of similar beliefs and posts might be/have been.

that's not really true. Most on this board are tolerant of people of opposing view. This sounds a tad condescending otherwise so maybe it was tic?

Sibil · April 2012

DP, this is how I feel about you

NuggetBrain · April 2012

SMorriso:
srs5624:
SMorriso:
srs5624:
+adamwife+:
LucyHoneychrrch:

And once again, I'm not saying that the words should be banned, like you keep saying. By all means, use the words if you feel you won't get your point across without them. Just own the rudeness.

But AW, you're NOT just discussing this to discuss it. You're making judgments about people who don't feel the same way you do. It's not just that you think people don't understand; you think they're d!cks if they don't decide to curb their tongues around everyone.

I think that ANYONE who decides to engage in a behavior that they KNOW offends someone else is being rude. Period.

Ok.

Bible-thumpers who try to push their beliefs on others offend me.

Do you understand?

AW is actually really really good about not doing this. She often says, multiple times over, "my faith" "my beliefs on this..." She doesn't say, you're all idiots for not believing what I believe. Which is a heckuva lot better than what she's gotten in this thread by those bucking her about finding using JFC offensive.

Yet, there's still 10 pages of "but this is what I believe. You guys are obviously rude if you don't respect my beliefs enough to stop saying OMG and JFC."

Yet, she still disagrees without throwing low blows or mocking her beliefs. Half of her posts are explaining why she finds it offensive, and then having to defend where she's coming from. If believing in Jesus was like a freaking fairy tale, you'd think it be a little happier than this thread.

People are disagreeing with her up and down in this post. Some are doing it with respect because, despite her flameful beliefs, aw still managed to maintain respect. When she does offend, she apologizes.

Also, by definition, she's right about it being rude. Whether you care or not is a whole 'nother subject.

I'm sorry, but other than maybe 2 posts most people are taking issue NOT with the fact she's offended, but the fact that she obviously is trying to tell people what they should or should not say. Now, myself? Like I said, I have a mouth like a sailor and I will try not to pull that ish out when she's "around". But the minute she said something about "using it in real life" is the minute this stopped being about her personally, and starting being about other random people that we maybe might be offending so we should STFU. THAT is my problem. That and the fact that she won't just own that she wants people to stop using it around her and preferably at all.

+adamwife+ · April 2012

DruidPrincess:

Last thing: I'm pretty sure Jesus must have heard/seen things that offended him deeply. Didn't stop him from being a personal and ultimately sacrificial dude for those who were the offenders.

Yeah, but none of us are Jesus. And Jesus also would point out sin in the hopes that people would turn from it. If someone blasphemed the Father in His presence, He would have gotten upset. He started turning over tables int he temple because He was so offended that they were exchanging money in a holy place.

I like this board. I would leave if I were that offended. I come here to learn from others and hope that others enjoy learning from me. That was my point in posting this (on Good Friday) - hoping that maybe someone would learn something. I'm not expecting anyone to change if they don't want to. I will and have blocked people if I am truly offended by them.

taratru · April 2012

+adamwife+:
taratru:
I think you are trying to combine empathy and understanding. While personal emotional connection can *enhance* understanding, a person doesn't need it to understand. Understanding *is* an intellectual act, which can exist completely separate from an emotional component. My students *understand* Romeo and Juliet, they don't need to kill themselves to truly show that they do, kwim?

I think Romeo and Juliet is the wrong example. That is a story.

What we're talking about here (the baby photo or the issue of blasphemy) is a little more involved. We're talking about concepts that have emotional or spiritual implications, so I think sometimes it's hard to understand the concept unless you can put yourself in the other person's emotional or spiritual "shoes".

If you're talking about the concept of love in the story of Romeo and Juliet, sure, your students can intellectually understand "love". But I think there is an emotional component to it that not all high school students are going to able to understand. Can they understand what it is like to love someone so much that you are willing to die because you can't be with them? I don't think a lot of students could really wrap their head around the concept without having actually experienced that type of love.

I think that we're dealing with something similar here. Sometimes true understanding requires more than just your brain.

Ha! Of COURSE teenagers understand that! That's how they love!

Anyway, by focusing on my quickly thought-of and admittedly-weak example, I can see that you're missing my point, which is that you yourself claim to want to understand other people's points of view and religions and cultures. But by your own argument in this thread, you never will understand any other beliefs but your own because you won't live them. How does that work? Or are you talking about intellectual understanding vs. emotional depth of experience? Because if you're acknowledging there is a difference, then surely you can see how people are getting so frustrated with you telling them they can't possibly understand any of what you say.

mysticporter · April 2012

+adamwife+:
LucyHoneychrrch:

And once again, I'm not saying that the words should be banned, like you keep saying. By all means, use the words if you feel you won't get your point across without them. Just own the rudeness.

But AW, you're NOT just discussing this to discuss it. You're making judgments about people who don't feel the same way you do. It's not just that you think people don't understand; you think they're d!cks if they don't decide to curb their tongues around everyone.

I think that ANYONE who decides to engage in a behavior that they KNOW offends someone else is being rude. Period.

I am not saying that people who use the Lord's name in vain in general are rude. I recognize that it is not their intent to always offend people.

But I do think that once someone KNOWS that what they are saying could be hurtful to another person, yet continues to say those things in the presence of that person, they are rude.

It's what you would think of a person who said the word retard in front of pixy knowing how she feels, right? It's what you would think of a person who said the word gay as stupid in front of a homosexual, right?

My point was that I don't see how this is any different. Offensive is offensive. Polite people try not to offend. Rude people don't care who they offend. I don't think these are judgment calls that are different from what most people believe. My faith or belief on the Lord's name has nothing to do with these judgment calls. I would say the same thing about someone using the word Mohammad negatively in front of a Muslim.

ETA - I recognize that this is a publoic forum and don't expect people to change their behavior here, unless they care about what some of the religious people on this board think. I guess my point is posting was hoping that people would recognize how rude it is to say these things in their real lives.

Um...some people seem really offended that you started a whole post calling them out as rude, and now continue to do so repeatedly, because they don't want to change their behavior based on your sensitivities. If the definition of rudeness is continuing to do something after you know someone is offended, pot meet kettle.

However, I don't think merely the act of continuing to do something once it is realized it's offensive is by itself rude. There's always a subjective decision as to whether the person is justified in being offended, which is where why you find other people's blasphemy offensive is relevant. Again, "I don't want to hear it" could be set about virtually anything.

TahDahFace · April 2012

I don't know if this has been addressed because I can't bring myself to read all these pages, but I think you and I have a different definition of taking the Lord's name in vain. I too find the use of His name in vain to be offensive.

However, I think that what is meant by that is to use His name in justification of prejudices and bigotry. An example of this is a sentiment that gay people should be discriminated against in his name, or any kind of Holy War. When someone hurts others and says that they are doing this in God's name, I consider that to be sinful.

I don't care at all about the rest. I can't conceptualize a reason why that would matter.

ETA: It's not as though people are saying "That's so God" to mean that something is so stupid or disgusting or awful.

LucyHoneychrrch · April 2012

+adamwife+:
DruidPrincess:

Last thing: I'm pretty sure Jesus must have heard/seen things that offended him deeply. Didn't stop him from being a personal and ultimately sacrificial dude for those who were the offenders.

Yeah, but none of us are Jesus. And Jesus also would point out sin in the hopes that people would turn from it. If someone blasphemed the Father in His presence, He would have gotten upset. He started turning over tables int he temple because He was so offended that they were exchanging money in a holy place.

I like this board. I would leave if I were that offended. I come here to learn from others and hope that others enjoy learning from me. That was my point in posting this (on Good Friday) - hoping that maybe someone would learn something. I'm not expecting anyone to change if they don't want to. I will and have blocked people if I am truly offended by them.

Honest non-snarky question: Do you deliberately phrase things to sound condescending?

DruidPrincess · April 2012

Sibil:
DP, this is how I feel about you

Thx, and LOL at the hair style of yesteryear.

foundmylazybum · April 2012

It sometimes baffles me what post will end up as a 10 + pager.

+adamwife+ · April 2012

taratru:
+adamwife+:

taratru:
I think you are trying to combine empathy and understanding. While personal emotional connection can *enhance* understanding, a person doesn't need it to understand. Understanding *is* an intellectual act, which can exist completely separate from an emotional component. My students *understand* Romeo and Juliet, they don't need to kill themselves to truly show that they do, kwim?

I think Romeo and Juliet is the wrong example. That is a story.

What we're talking about here (the baby photo or the issue of blasphemy) is a little more involved. We're talking about concepts that have emotional or spiritual implications, so I think sometimes it's hard to understand the concept unless you can put yourself in the other person's emotional or spiritual "shoes".

If you're talking about the concept of love in the story of Romeo and Juliet, sure, your students can intellectually understand "love". But I think there is an emotional component to it that not all high school students are going to able to understand. Can they understand what it is like to love someone so much that you are willing to die because you can't be with them? I don't think a lot of students could really wrap their head around the concept without having actually experienced that type of love.

I think that we're dealing with something similar here. Sometimes true understanding requires more than just your brain.

Ha! Of COURSE teenagers understand that! That's how they love!

Anyway, by focusing on my quickly thought-of and admittedly-weak example, I can see that you're missing my point, which is that you yourself claim to want to understand other people's points of view and religions and cultures. But by your own argument in this thread, you never will understand any other beliefs but your own because you won't live them. How does that work? Or are you talking about intellectual understanding vs. emotional depth of experience? Because if you're acknowledging there is a difference, then surely you can see how people are getting so frustrated with you telling them they can't possibly understand any of what you say.

I think that this is one of those cases, when you're talking about the holiness of God, that only someone who views God as holy is truly going to understand.

I recognize the same thing with certain racial issues. We talk about white privelege on this board all the time. There are certain things about being black that I can never understand. I try my best to understand and avoid offending people. But the black posters on this board may point areas out in which my white privelege is speaking. They did it in the TM posts last week. And then I learned from that where my naivete or possibly subconscious racism was showing. I learned from those experiences but also recognize that I may never really "understand" what they are saying because I lack a shared experience.

I think it's the same with men talking about female issues. They can try to understand, but they are never going to fully understand because they aren't female.

Faith is one of those things that I believe are similar. If you don't value God, you're not going to fully understand what it means for someone else to value Him or view Him as holy. And even some people of faith aren't going to understand what it means to another because their idea of God is different.

That doesn't mean the effort to learn about each other and try to understand isn't worth it. There is value in the debate. But I think that there are examples in this thread of how that lack of full understanding is evident and sometimes the cause of a lot of arguing back and forth.

ETA - if this makes little sense it's because my kids just woke up and I'm distracted. I'll try to check back and clarify if it's all over the place.

mysticporter · April 2012

+adamwife+:
DruidPrincess:

Last thing: I'm pretty sure Jesus must have heard/seen things that offended him deeply. Didn't stop him from being a personal and ultimately sacrificial dude for those who were the offenders.

Yeah, but none of us are Jesus. And Jesus also would point out sin in the hopes that people would turn from it. If someone blasphemed the Father in His presence, He would have gotten upset. He started turning over tables int he temple because He was so offended that they were exchanging money in a holy place.

I like this board. I would leave if I were that offended. I come here to learn from others and hope that others enjoy learning from me. That was my point in posting this (on Good Friday) - hoping that maybe someone would learn something. I'm not expecting anyone to change if they don't want to. I will and have blocked people if I am truly offended by them.

Super Angry So...part what you are doing is pointing out sin in the hopes people would turn away from it?

You have absolutely no idea what an *incredibly* offensive concept that is? Because I'm offended by it, and I don't use religious cursing.

SMorriso · April 2012

NuggetBrain:
SMorriso:
srs5624:
SMorriso:
srs5624:
+adamwife+:
LucyHoneychrrch:

And once again, I'm not saying that the words should be banned, like you keep saying. By all means, use the words if you feel you won't get your point across without them. Just own the rudeness.

But AW, you're NOT just discussing this to discuss it. You're making judgments about people who don't feel the same way you do. It's not just that you think people don't understand; you think they're d!cks if they don't decide to curb their tongues around everyone.

I think that ANYONE who decides to engage in a behavior that they KNOW offends someone else is being rude. Period.

Ok.

Bible-thumpers who try to push their beliefs on others offend me.

Do you understand?

AW is actually really really good about not doing this. She often says, multiple times over, "my faith" "my beliefs on this..." She doesn't say, you're all idiots for not believing what I believe. Which is a heckuva lot better than what she's gotten in this thread by those bucking her about finding using JFC offensive.

Yet, there's still 10 pages of "but this is what I believe. You guys are obviously rude if you don't respect my beliefs enough to stop saying OMG and JFC."

Yet, she still disagrees without throwing low blows or mocking her beliefs. Half of her posts are explaining why she finds it offensive, and then having to defend where she's coming from. If believing in Jesus was like a freaking fairy tale, you'd think it be a little happier than this thread.

People are disagreeing with her up and down in this post. Some are doing it with respect because, despite her flameful beliefs, aw still managed to maintain respect. When she does offend, she apologizes.

Also, by definition, she's right about it being rude. Whether you care or not is a whole 'nother subject.

I'm sorry, but other than maybe 2 posts most people are taking issue NOT with the fact she's offended, but the fact that she obviously is trying to tell people what they should or should not say. Now, myself? Like I said, I have a mouth like a sailor and I will try not to pull that ish out when she's "around". But the minute she said something about "using it in real life" is the minute this stopped being about her personally, and starting being about other random people that we maybe might be offending so we should STFU. THAT is my problem. That and the fact that she won't just own that she wants people to stop using it around her and preferably at all.

I understand where people are coming from in regards to not wanting to have to walk on eggshells. And how this post could be viewed by those who don't follow any religious belief system. (Toledo's response to this thread and BDB's response) I think I said that in one of my first responses (maybe page 5 or so, haha).

I feel that she has a right to feel offended, but others have a right to be offended by her. I just wish the disagreements could happen without the saying her beliefs are the same as fairy tales and insinuating she's some sort of idiot for believing what she does.

In turn, I know that AW comes off as condescending at times. Most time, just having read a lot of discussions with her, I don't really feel like that is her intent. People, myself included in the past, already have my eyebrow raised in defense, so I feel it's easy to find her posts to be condescending.Then again, I feel like AW has one of the more devout lifestyles that I've seen on P&CE. Her life is consumed with her faith and she lives it in many aspects that I personally gloss over, or maybe don't think to speak out on in a faith related way. So, coming from that approach, I think a lot of the things that come off condescending in her posts are really just how she thinks a lot of the time. It isn't directed at anyone to bring them down, because I don't think that AW is malicious. When she's all, "Maybe people could learn something" I really do think she'd love for people to learn something. Thus her "Ask a Calvinist" thread.

The quoted response wasn't really directed at you though. Your arguments so far have been really balanced and engaging without being unnecessarily offensive.

+adamwife+ · April 2012

LucyHoneychrrch:
+adamwife+:
DruidPrincess:

Last thing: I'm pretty sure Jesus must have heard/seen things that offended him deeply. Didn't stop him from being a personal and ultimately sacrificial dude for those who were the offenders.

Yeah, but none of us are Jesus. And Jesus also would point out sin in the hopes that people would turn from it. If someone blasphemed the Father in His presence, He would have gotten upset. He started turning over tables int he temple because He was so offended that they were exchanging money in a holy place.

I like this board. I would leave if I were that offended. I come here to learn from others and hope that others enjoy learning from me. That was my point in posting this (on Good Friday) - hoping that maybe someone would learn something. I'm not expecting anyone to change if they don't want to. I will and have blocked people if I am truly offended by them.

Honest non-snarky question: Do you deliberately phrase things to sound condescending?

No, I don't. I'm very sorry that I come across that way. It isn't my intent. I will try to work on it.

Sibil · April 2012

I'm pretty sure that this

shows god has a mean sense of humor.

Also, see:

+adamwife+ · April 2012

mysticporter:
+adamwife+:
DruidPrincess:

Last thing: I'm pretty sure Jesus must have heard/seen things that offended him deeply. Didn't stop him from being a personal and ultimately sacrificial dude for those who were the offenders.

Yeah, but none of us are Jesus. And Jesus also would point out sin in the hopes that people would turn from it. If someone blasphemed the Father in His presence, He would have gotten upset. He started turning over tables int he temple because He was so offended that they were exchanging money in a holy place.

I like this board. I would leave if I were that offended. I come here to learn from others and hope that others enjoy learning from me. That was my point in posting this (on Good Friday) - hoping that maybe someone would learn something. I'm not expecting anyone to change if they don't want to. I will and have blocked people if I am truly offended by them.

So...part what you are doing is pointing out sin in the hopes people would turn away from it?

You have absolutely no idea what an *incredibly* offensive concept that is? Because I'm offended by it, and I don't use religious cursing.

Sigh. I give up.

I said that after I said none of us are Jesus. Jesus points out sin. It's not my place to do it (unless I'm doing it to change my own behavior). My point was saying that we can't compare ourselves to Jesus. I wasn't saying that I am Jesus and had His intent to post this.

I'm going to stop now. As someone else mentioned, I am offending people. I am sorry. My words aren't coming out like I want them to and I guess I'm being condescending and judgmental. That wasn't my intent.

DruidPrincess · April 2012

FTR, I like AW, and frankly I feel she is a far stronger voice for Christianity or Godly perceptions/principles than I ever am, here or elsewhere. Maybe I should get more offended at the use of God's name in vain or profanity... I just don't. One of my vices and further evidence that I'm a fallen creature in need of grace. So... man, I really don't know what else I am trying to say, except that I like AW on this board. So.

SunMoon&Stars · April 2012

+adamwife+:
Basically I'm trying to tell people how to live.

You said it, I didn't.

ETA: I don't believe you're one bit sorry that you've offended anyone.

taratru · April 2012

I'm sorry to keep going, AW, but you leave me with more questions.

So then aren't you basically passing judgement and somehow placing yourself above other Christians who are *not* offended by the use of these terms? Because some Christians do swear or use JFC or GD or aren't offended when others use them and you're saying if they valued their relationship with God and their faith as much as you, they wouldn't use those terms or they would be more offended?

(and I'm sorry if my question makes no sense...I'm SO distracted by Leonardo DiCaprio on my projector right now)

pinkeggs · April 2012

TefLepOM:
pinkeggs:
+adamwife+:
2Vermont:
Oh my.....289 posts? I'm afraid to delve into this....

Don't bother. It's more "martyr", "judgment", and "you think your beliefs are more important than mine" stuff.

ETA - Except that there are several posts from people who showed how they care for people who are offended and I think it may be worth you reading, 2V, to see what they wrote.

Basically I'm trying to tell people how to live. People have the right to be offensive. People can still be understanding and offend people (apparently).

And that's a wrap.

He is Risen! Happy Easter to everyone!
I'm sorry that that is what you took from it, and I am sorry that you got frustrated. I would encourage you to remember that you are shown a LOT more tolerance and respect on here than some others of similar beliefs and posts might be/have been.

that's not really true. Most on this board are tolerant of people of opposing view. This sounds a tad condescending otherwise so maybe it was tic?

No, neither. I guess I was just trying to remind her that she is rather well liked on this board because she was getting flustered. And I do actually think some of her views/posts are tolerated differently than someone else's on a similar topic might be, mostly because she manages to stay level headed and stands her ground, usually respectfully.

I can see how it could come off as condescending though; didn't mean it that way.

Probably flammable, but I want to ask anyways

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