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Re: Probably flammable, but I want to ask anyways
So if I were to call a black person the n-word, but I wasn't intentionally trying to offend, then it's not hurtful?
I think it comes from the love a Christian has for God so it hurts to hear someone you love being talked about in that way/diminished to an expletive. Does that make sense?
Now you're just being purposefully obtuse. If you go out of your way to insult someone (by calling them an idiot), any adjectives or expletives you add are obviously meant to offend.
Does that help?
Well, thanks for trying to patiently explain it to all of us unsaved retards.
Who "me?"
Oh no I completely understand. And yes, I was being TIC purposefully obtuse.
Thanks, that's what I meant. Glad I'm making sense.
OK now you're pissing me right the f*ck off. The N word is NOTHING OTHER THAN an insult. Jesus Christ is a name. As I mentioned before, Jesus Christ can be used to express MANY DIFFERENT THINGS. So can oh my God. The woman on the Trayvon Martin phone call was saying "Oh my god" over and over and I can ASSURE YOU, it had to do more with the fact that she just saw a kid get shot in her back f*cking yard than the fact that she wanted to stick it to the Christians.
But that doesn't explain the source, or describe the feeling of, the hurt. And that's based on a projection outside of my question.
Actually it's kind of the opposite. Since most FWP are petty mundane gripes it creates this perception that the reason THESE are FWP is that so called "third world people" are so consumed with life and death matters that they are fundamentally different and don't have mundane complaints. But the reality is that 99% of FWP I read are nearly identical to complaints that my "third world" friends have too. Just because you live in Nigeria doesn't mean you never have days when your pants are too tight or when you're hungover or when someone is texting you about a party you can't attend or your new DVD is scratched etc. Also most people who live in the "third world" don't really like that phrase but you can't have first world problems without a third world.
Huh. That's a really interesting viewpoint and I never looked at it that way before.
In my personal experience only, I do hear Christians say OMG. However, I have never heard any of them say JC or JFC or GDit. I know all denominations, including Catholics (some are Irish). I'm sure some Christians say all of the terms, though.
I'm not asking that at all. I'm asking for someone to define in their own way what it feels like to be offended. How bad is the hurt? How does this hurt resonate with themselves, if at all? Does it bring to mind something they'd otherwise wish to forget? Probably not, but these are the questions I'm seeking answers to. I'm not asking for the difference between something that is or isn't offensive.
Dylanite, does anything offend you?
For me, it generally makes me feel inferior. For example, in the case of someone putting me down as woman, it offends me because I am not less than simply because I have ovaries.
Really, I'm just skimming the thread but...
Remember when you were so defensive about continuing to use the r-word, and proceeded to use it in any post that you could? I came awfully close to blocking you that day, and I don't have anyone blocked.
The r-word deeply offends me because I have deeply humiliating and frustrating memories tied to that word. Example - my sister pressed into a corner, crying hysterically, as several kids at the school surrounded her in a semi-circle taunting her with cries of "You're retarded!" until I got there and shoved them out of the way. Then dealing with the aftermath of her not understanding why the kids didn't like her, and not wanting to go back to school ever again.
That's where offense stems from.
I, personally, don't have that type of offense tied to someone taking the Lord's name in vain. So maybe that offense has a different stem. Which circles around to answering your question, every person has a different reaction to words used, and trying to define it by asking specifically, "Where does it stem from?" is useless.
I should not have opened this thread, but really? Saying stuff like "God damn it!" and "Jesus take the wheel" or "Sweet Mother of God" is just like using slurs that are intentionally used to degrade and oppress minorities?
Hello, what is privilege? What is such massive amounts of privilege my eyeballs are about to drop out of my face and burst into flame from reading this thread?
And this is how it works, people. You give a reason for your offense, besides "I'm so devout/educated" people consider it, and perhaps change their minds.
Of course you can be offended by whatever you want and say so. But if you can't really point to a reason why you're offended that applies to everyone, then people are less likely to consider it and may not just put it on the "do not say" list because someone is offended for some random reason that doesn't make sense to them.
AW, I have a somewhat related question. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying that the main reason these words are offensive is because you see it as a sin against God.
Do you have a similar reaction when you read on this board about other sins? Like someone posting about taking birth control? Or about having an affair? I'm assuming these aren't offensive in the same way, or it would be hard to read any post on the internet.
If saying JFC is the same as cheating on your spouse in God's eyes, why is reading about other sins less offensive to you?
I've been lurking for 8 pages trying to figure it out.
Forgive me if this point has already been made but I'm not reading 6 pages of crap to see if it was.
I'm black and I'm a Christian. It's offensive to equate using the Lord's name in vain because never once when someone has said the Lord's name in vain have I gotten the impression that they judge me, don't like me, or will hurt me just by virtue of having uttered those words.
To imply otherwise is more offensive than using the Lord's name in vain could ever be.
I'd rather spend the entire week listening to Goddamned this, Christ on a Cracker, and Jesus motherfuuking Christ than hear anyone utter the n word.
I can't believe this is even a topic of conversation.
Click me, click me!
That's how I felt. haha. I did read yours and agreed, again.
Zuma Zoom
I'm not offended by anything that doesn't have personal, malicious intent behind it, no. And solely trying to 'offend' someone, as opposed to trying to directly, personally attack them, is very different to me. That's why I'm asking for the definition of this hurt. To make sure whether or not being offensive is objectively synonymous with attacking them. I think one intent is to, at worse, merely push buttons while the other is to hurt them, on a personal level.
Pixy, your example shows you were offended on behalf of someone else. And because my intent was not to hurt you, I refuse to refrain from using such terminology because I know that of my intent. Asking someone to refrain from using certain terminology due to the possibility that it could hurt someone sets a precedent I choose to avoid. I'm not saying this justifies the use of ANY offensive terms (the N-word for example... Because that word is ONLY meant to hurt).
Hearing the Lord's name in vain hurts adamwife in her holy spirit place. If you don't stop saying it you're a stupidasshole who can't possibly understand adamwife's super special feelings. If only you had Jesus.
Who "me?"
Thank you.
Holy shiznizzle - are there really THIS many pages to this post???
She's offended by it - period... nobody can change how she feels... but people CAN try not to use the words as much or at all, to be considerate... as others try not to use gay, retarded, etc - knowing it upsets people. Doesn't matter how YOU compare the use of the words... the fact is that it offends her. Do you have to change b/c of it? Of course not - but she IS a member of this board... yet, so many seem to think she doesn't deserve the respect others get... b/c she's on the right?
hypocrites... "care about others" philosophy... except when the others are in another political party.
It's "skip over everything that makes sense" day. Didn't you get your invite?
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