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Godly advice, please. I'm at a loss.

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Re: Godly advice, please. I'm at a loss.

  • imagesklubritt:
    imageHotDish!:
    If you honestly believe that watching porn is th equivalent to cheating then the answer is simple, leave him. If he had physically cheated on you with another woman would you even consider marrying him? The watching porn won't stop, he'll just learn to hide it better.


    Yes, I sincerely would marry him if he physically cheated on me. And I would take him back if he physicallyt cheated on me after the wedding.

    Are you serious?

    I consider myself to be a Christian (I'm only guessing that's what you are?), but there's not a cold chance in hell I'd take a cheating husband back. So if he did that, would you also stick around if he for some reason decides to start smacking you around? Are you also going to be the little meek submissive wife who does everything the man tells her to? To be honest, you kind of sound like a doormat trying to disguise yourself in religious clothing.

    I hope you haven't told HIM that it's ok to go ahead and cheat and you'll take him back, you're setting yourself up for a disaster of an unhappy marriage.

    Wow...just...wow.

    Oh, FFS.
  • Just another crazy Christian girl here :) Don't rush into marrying him until you work out your issues. You have your whole life. Be careful though, the whole "I would still marry him if he cheats on me and would take him back if he cheated on me after the wedding" should be reconsidered. Have you told him this? It sounds like permission to go out and cheat on you and it's no problem, he won't lose you! Take your time to talk before making him your husband, and don't feel like it has to be him just because you gave up a special part of you to him. Good Luck :) 
  • imageKayleighJW:

    Wow, some women are rude. She came here for advice if you don't have any then go away. If you don't agree with her views don't make fun of her for them, or force yours on her. That's rude and disrespectful, I think women here need to learn some manners and etiquette.

    Ha, welcome to the Nest, ye of 9 posts. If you can't wait to tell everyone how rude they are, I'm guessing there will be a GBCN very quickly.

    Oh, FFS.
  • imageTarponMonoxide:

    imagesklubritt:
    Honestly, I didn't even say "promised to be with him always".
    It isn't entirely primitive. He was a virgin until 22 because he wanted to wait for his wife whom he is going to be with forever snce neither of us believe in divorce. Not primitive.

    And its not extreme religiosity. Oh golly gee, people are so uptight about Christianity.

    I have no problem with abstinence; if you can hack it, wonderful. As I said, a matter of choice.

    But when you start that "I gave him my virginity" nonsense and "going to be with the person forever", that's just fantasy and primitive. One's worth much more than virginity and if a guy is turning YOU down because you are not "pure enough", the hell with him. Period.

    You problem: He watches porn.

    YOu asked for advice. You got it. And you're probably not going to take it.

    YOu said that you and I have different Christian viewpoints. Assuming I'm a Christian? Maybe I'm Muslim, Wiccan, Buddist or athiest.



    It is NOT fantasy and primitive. I'm sorry YOU'VE had a bad experience with forever (assuming from your posts, I do not know for sure. You have not outrightedly said so). My sister is going through  a divorce with a 5 day old baby.

    I don't know what kind of views you hold. You are trying to be so mysterious and not tell me (which I don't care either way) You get mad at me if I assume you are a Christian or if you are not one. I have no idea what your views are, but nevertheless, they are different from mine.
  • Nicely written!
  • imagemalibu5880:
    imageKayleighJW:

    Wow, some women are rude. She came here for advice if you don't have any then go away. If you don't agree with her views don't make fun of her for them, or force yours on her. That's rude and disrespectful, I think women here need to learn some manners and etiquette.

    Ha, welcome to the Nest, ye of 9 posts. If you can't wait to tell everyone how rude they are, I'm guessing there will be a GBCN very quickly.

    Oh dear b/c I only have 9 posts, I'm clearly an idiot. I'm not on here to tell people they're rude, but honey if the shoe fits. For the record I only have 10 posts b/c unlike some of y'all I don't sit on here all day. 

  • imagesklubritt:
    I know there are many ways. He looks  at work. He doesn't own DVDs or mags or anything.

    Um, FYI, not only is your husband apparently cheating on you, he's also stupid beyond belief.  Looking at porn at work is about the fastest possible way to get yourself fired.....

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  • imageBowiesInSpace:

    You are asking your FI to go against his sexual nature.  That's just not sustainable, I don't care how much he says he doesn't want to look - at some point, he WILL.  No one should be forced into repressing who they are....it leads to very bad things.  Take your partner as he is

    And I can't help rolling my eyes at the "I don't believe in divorce" thing.  What if he starts using you as a punching bag?  If he knows you won't go anywhere, where's the impetus to be a good husband?  Or not watch porn?

    I will admit I'm not a churchy person, but your views on virginity/marriage are very immature.  If he's not The One because of the porn thing, then you should have waited until marriage to have sex.  And don't force yourself into marrying The Wrong One because you didn't wait. 



    I DO take him as he is. I LOVE him. I don't want him to look but what I'm dealing with now is the hurt of not being the only woman in his eyes. Not the task of trying to change him.

    You are right; I should have waited until marriage. I never said he wasn't the one though. I sincerely believe he is. I am just hurting. That is all. And I don't believe in divorce because I think a lot of people use it as a cop out. Like my ex-brother-in-law.
  • imagegberg1331:

    imagesklubritt:
    I know there are many ways. He looks  at work. He doesn't own DVDs or mags or anything.

    Um, FYI, not only is your husband apparently cheating on you, he's also stupid beyond belief.  Looking at porn at work is about the fastest possible way to get yourself fired.....



    Trust me, I've told him. (not as rough but same context.)
  • imoanimoan member
    10000 Comments Eighth Anniversary

    imagesklubritt:
    imageHotDish!:
    If you honestly believe that watching porn is th equivalent to cheating then the answer is simple, leave him. If he had physically cheated on you with another woman would you even consider marrying him? The watching porn won't stop, he'll just learn to hide it better.


    Yes, I sincerely would marry him if he physically cheated on me. And I would take him back if he physicallyt cheated on me after the wedding.

    Well, you deserve all the pain and STDs you get!  Early congratulations on your wedding and the rest of your miserable life!

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    Currently Reading: Don Quixote by Miguel De Cervantes
  • what about couples counseling?

    what does he do for a living that he can watch porn at work?

  • imagesklubritt:
    Honestly, I didn't even say "promised to be with him always".
    It isn't entirely primitive. He was a virgin until 22 because he wanted to wait for his wife whom he is going to be with forever snce neither of us believe in divorce. Not primitive.

    And its not extreme religiosity. Oh golly gee, people are so uptight about Christianity.

    Honey, I think you got it mixed up. God has nothing to do with what you are doing. What you are doing is based on your own core values and morals, and has nothing to do with what God wants. It may be apart of your church based on what they believe about Christianity but not as Christianity is as a whole.

    You both need professional psychological help. You are both insecure and have some really low self esteem. Along with a slew of other issues and problems. Seriously, staying with a serial cheater is insane and should never be tolerated.

    I think what people are getting "uptight" about is that you are still trying to take your examples of life from a fictional book of lessons and teaching made thousands of years ago. In today's age, things have changed a lot. I mean A LOT. Women can vote, hold down jobs, while raising a family, and *gasp* the man can be the stay at home parent. You live in an age where you can get a machine to make your food, clean your house and drive your car. Do you really think that the same lessons from an age where you had to poop in a hole in the dirt are relevant?

  • imageBowiesInSpace:

    Well, shiit, if I was him I'd have a piece on the side almost immediately.  I mean, you won't leave so why not?  The fact that you're using Christianity as an excuse for this doormat attitude is insulting.  God does not want his people to live like this.



    I know God doesn't. I know that for sure. And I don't mean to use it as an excuse. I apologize for coming off that way wherever I did.
  • imagesklubritt:
    imagegberg1331:

    imagesklubritt:
    I know there are many ways. He looks  at work. He doesn't own DVDs or mags or anything.

    Um, FYI, not only is your husband apparently cheating on you, he's also stupid beyond belief.  Looking at porn at work is about the fastest possible way to get yourself fired.....



    Trust me, I've told him. (not as rough but same context.)

     

    Maybe the problem between you and your husband is that you are "not as rough" as you need to be!  You sound like you have zero self esteem and major communication issues.  If you want him to stop "cheating" on you, be a little rough!  If he's worth half of what you think he is (and I bet he's not), he'll stop.  Or else, you deserve what you get.

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  • imageheatherg11485:
    Just another crazy Christian girl here :) Don't rush into marrying him until you work out your issues. You have your whole life. Be careful though, the whole "I would still marry him if he cheats on me and would take him back if he cheated on me after the wedding" should be reconsidered. Have you told him this? It sounds like permission to go out and cheat on you and it's no problem, he won't lose you! Take your time to talk before making him your husband, and don't feel like it has to be him just because you gave up a special part of you to him. Good Luck :) 


    Oh, I am not crazy. Well, maybe a little :) Definitely not like many people you probably meet. Thanks for your advice.
  • Well, if you want Godly advice, here you go.

    Sinning does mean you're stuck in the sin forever ever and doomed to being miserable for all eternity. Yes, you sinned by having sex before marriage. But there isn't a thing in the Bible that says you have to marry the person you had premarital sex with. You just don't.

    What you've written here makes it sound as if you are not ready for marriage and that this isn't the right man for you. If you truly believe that the husband is the head of the household then you shouldn't marry a man who struggle with such a large sin and has no problem carrying on others with you.

    You can't marry until you yourself feel right with God and you can't marry this man until he's gotten right with God.

    You can, however, avoid a bigger sin by marrying this man knowing that he is not the godly man he is expected to be. It would only cause heartache for the both of you and a miserable life. Either your H knows he's sinning and he doesn't care or he doesn't agree that he's sinning and if you married him you'd be unequally yoked.

    If you truly believe that viewing porn and sex before marriage are sins, then you need to repent of it and leave a relationship with a man who does both these things and find a man who does neither.

    Sure, it's painful but I'm sure you know that God never promised it wouldn't. Disciplining his children and all that.



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  • imageimoan:

    Well, you deserve all the pain and STDs you get!  Early congratulations on your wedding and the rest of your miserable life!

     

    Oh thank you!! Glad to know you are chock-full of encouraging words!

  • If he knows that you won't leave him no matter what then he doesn't really have any motivation to stop. Get some self esteem and stand up for yourself. Let him know that you will not tolerate it. Also, please get some counselling before the wedding.
  • imagesklubritt:
    imageimoan:

    Well, you deserve all the pain and STDs you get!  Early congratulations on your wedding and the rest of your miserable life!

     

    Oh thank you!! Glad to know you are chock-full of encouraging words!

    We're not hear to give you encouraging words if we think that your making a mistake. We're telling you the painful truth and your choosing to ignore it.

  • imageDerniermot:

    what about couples counseling?

    what does he do for a living that he can watch porn at work?

     

    I want my questions answered. Stick out tongue

  • imageKateG528:

    You want a bluntly "Godly" answer? This is why the Bible states that sex outside of marriage is fornication and a sin. Because you have not committed yourself to that person before God and witnesses.  From a Christian standpoint you have already made a big no-no. So you chose to give a man who was not your husband "All of you" and now you regret it because he does not love you in a devout Christ-like way that the Bible says and is choosing to look upon other women with lust (which the Bible says is fornication as well and adultery)  This was YOUR choice to have sex with him before marriage and you are now having to suffer the consequence of that choice. If you are so devout you should have made a wiser choice.  However look in the Bible in Matthew where JESUS says what the only ok reason for divorce is where JESUS says it is ok to get a divorce. He says it is ok and right to divorce in the case of ADULTERY which is cheating... however because you are already a fornicator, then adultery is not any worse a sin to him.  

     

    Now on a level of common sense. I KNOW that it sucks to have your heart broken by the one you "will be with always" but he clearly disrespects you if he chooses porn when you have told him how it makes you feel.  I would be unhappy if my husband looked at porn because it would make me feel belittled, but he has all he wants in me and trust me girl its awesome. Find a guy who only wants you because if this guy will "cheat" with his eyes who is to say he wont cheat with his penis. 



    Thank you. That is the blunt God advice I was looking for. Shove that Book that I try to live out right back in my face. You are right. I did make a big no-no and now I am dealing with the consequences.

    I bet it is an absolute wonderful feeling :) It makes me happy to read how happy you are. I am glad for you. Thanks for your honest Godly opinion. Thank you.

    Ps. I LOVE your signature. Romance!
  • imoanimoan member
    10000 Comments Eighth Anniversary
    imagesklubritt:
    imageimoan:

    Well, you deserve all the pain and STDs you get!  Early congratulations on your wedding and the rest of your miserable life!

     

    Oh thank you!! Glad to know you are chock-full of encouraging words!

    Why, you're welcome!  Seeing as you gave away you're most sacred gift... you might as well marry this guy because now you no longer have a gift to give.  Oops!

    You are completely defiling the santicty of marriage. It isn't gay people who do that, it isn't people who get divorced... it's people who knowingly enter into a marriage are are happy to make a mockery out of it by accepting cheating.  Why be married at all?!  The whole point is that it's the ultimate commitment to a person.  Cheating =/= commitment, FYI.

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  • Why are you not responding to any of the posts that give actual godly advice unless they agree that you should stay with him and continue to allow him to hurt you. God does not want you to be hurting like this! I mean seriously, leave this guy if he wont stop, or get couples counseling.  If he was such a Godly head of household he would have refused premarital sex. You both sinned in that and he is sinning in this and that is a lot of unrepentant sin that you guys are living in. When you live in sin you suffer. 

     

    And seriously God does help those who help themselves.  

    Edit- I just saw your response to me. Good luck, life can be hard, but it will be ok. 

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  • imageDerniermot:
    imageDerniermot:

    what about couples counseling?

    what does he do for a living that he can watch porn at work?

     

    I want my questions answered. Stick out tongue



    Haha, that was cute :) Couples counseling would be good. We were looking into pre-marital counseling but the pastor's are SO busy they never got back to us and we will be wed before then!
  • I would also remind you that if you are the Christian you say you are, you know that when you confess and repent of your sins, they are wiped away as if they never existed. That means you're as good as you were before you had sex with him and you can go on to marry someone else.

    I'm not sure how you can believe that Jesus forgives all sins and cleanses us of them and then believe that because you sinned, you have to marry this man.

    Is there some verse you're thinking of that I missed?



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  • imageLavenderMissRose:

    Honey, I think you got it mixed up. God has nothing to do with what you are doing. What you are doing is based on your own core values and morals, and has nothing to do with what God wants. It may be apart of your church based on what they believe about Christianity but not as Christianity is as a whole.

    You both need professional psychological help. You are both insecure and have some really low self esteem. Along with a slew of other issues and problems. Seriously, staying with a serial cheater is insane and should never be tolerated.

    I think what people are getting "uptight" about is that you are still trying to take your examples of life from a fictional book of lessons and teaching made thousands of years ago. In today's age, things have changed a lot. I mean A LOT. Women can vote, hold down jobs, while raising a family, and *gasp* the man can be the stay at home parent. You live in an age where you can get a machine to make your food, clean your house and drive your car. Do you really think that the same lessons from an age where you had to poop in a hole in the dirt are relevant?




    I think in my life, yes the Bible is still extremely relevant. I would rather be a homemaker like they were back then, make my own food than rely on something else to do it and take care of my babies. That's why it's called the Living Word of God. It continues no matter the age.
  • imagegberg1331:
    imagesklubritt:
    imagegberg1331:

    imagesklubritt:
    I know there are many ways. He looks  at work. He doesn't own DVDs or mags or anything.

    Um, FYI, not only is your husband apparently cheating on you, he's also stupid beyond belief.  Looking at porn at work is about the fastest possible way to get yourself fired.....



    Trust me, I've told him. (not as rough but same context.)

     

    Maybe the problem between you and your husband is that you are "not as rough" as you need to be!  You sound like you have zero self esteem and major communication issues.  If you want him to stop "cheating" on you, be a little rough!  If he's worth half of what you think he is (and I bet he's not), he'll stop.  Or else, you deserve what you get.



    I don't have 0 self esteem. I'm just not rude to my man like most women have become to be. I think we have the communication thing downpat. We were in a long distance relationship for 1 year and 1/2 and all we had was the phone and communcation.
  • imoanimoan member
    10000 Comments Eighth Anniversary
    imagehindsight's_a_biotch:

    I would also remind you that if you are the Christian you say you are, you know that when you confess and repent of your sins, they are wiped away as if they never existed. That means you're as good as you were before you had sex with him and you can go on to marry someone else.

    I'm not sure how you can believe that Jesus forgives all sins and cleanses us of them and then believe that because you sinned, you have to marry this man.

    Is there some verse you're thinking of that I missed?

    It's another "pick & choose" Christian.  Whatever makes her appear to be the biggest martyr wins!

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  • You have communication down pat? Really? You communicated to him how hurt and upset his looking at porn made you feel and he still does it. This communication is clearly not working.
  • imoanimoan member
    10000 Comments Eighth Anniversary
    imagesklubritt:
    imageLavenderMissRose:

    Honey, I think you got it mixed up. God has nothing to do with what you are doing. What you are doing is based on your own core values and morals, and has nothing to do with what God wants. It may be apart of your church based on what they believe about Christianity but not as Christianity is as a whole.

    You both need professional psychological help. You are both insecure and have some really low self esteem. Along with a slew of other issues and problems. Seriously, staying with a serial cheater is insane and should never be tolerated.

    I think what people are getting "uptight" about is that you are still trying to take your examples of life from a fictional book of lessons and teaching made thousands of years ago. In today's age, things have changed a lot. I mean A LOT. Women can vote, hold down jobs, while raising a family, and *gasp* the man can be the stay at home parent. You live in an age where you can get a machine to make your food, clean your house and drive your car. Do you really think that the same lessons from an age where you had to poop in a hole in the dirt are relevant?




    I think in my life, yes the Bible is still extremely relevant. I would rather be a homemaker like they were back then, make my own food than rely on something else to do it and take care of my babies. That's why it's called the Living Word of God. It continues no matter the age.

    You DO know there was no internet during Jesus's day... so I'd advise you to log off and get to working on your loom!

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